Embedded Files
On this page I have archived Emails I have sent over time to what I referred to as the "UFO Working Group" It's a large group of people who come to UFO and related phenomenon from different perspectives. Some of the people are are more science-oriented, some more philosophically inclined, some more spiritually inclined, and most combinations of those perspectives and others. Feel free to write me at swkochel@yahoo.com if you want to be added to the group.
Note: this page still has some cleaning up to do and the emails an be very long-winded.
Oct 19th, 2026
(note this is a copy and paste but it won't support pictures from the email. I will post them below!
Hello UFO working group,
I know that most of you will be calling in sick tomorrow to stay home and read this email and watch all the videos, so I hope it's worth it! ha-ha
I have wanted to do a 4 part series on the 4 different species of NHI (non-human intelligences) that are brought up the most by experiencers, researchers, and some whistleblowers. They are: The Greys, The Nordics (Tall Whites/Pleiadians), The Mantids/Insectoids, and The Reptilians. There are other species that are allegedly out there and attached lore: but I'll just focus on the most referenced.
As always feel free to read and watch what you want, and ignore, marginalize, or otherwise dismiss what you want. None of this is for certain and I will try not to type things like "allegedly" or “supposedly” too often, but you can imagine the words showing up in almost every other sentence. Also, remember I save all of these on my website ufohorizons.com so you can revisit them after disclosure if you dismissed them this time around: hehe
The Greys: Types of NHI #1
While the vision of the typical Grey has spread all over, it's worth noting it wasn't always the prominent popular culture version of aliens. But it did start to get national attention when the film "The UFO Incident" about the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill came out in 1975 and their story spread. Although in the film about Betty and Barney Hill, the beings were depicted as human sized. It wasn't until Close Encounters in 1977 that we see typical short Grey Aliens as one of the many aliens coming out of the mother ship at the end. Until then there were "little green men" aliens with tentacles and with antennas and so on.
So what do the Greys look like? According to most accounts they are not as uniform in size and shape as most people think they might be. Various encounters show a pattern of similarity, but similar to human beings, they seem to come in different sizes and colorations. They are 4-fingered (counting the thumb), have big heads, big eyes, light pale skin, generally around 4 feet tall, and always “speak” in some type of telepathy. I will provide links to some whistleblowers and others who have much more detailed accounts of the anatomy and other aspects of the Greys later.
Here’s a picture of different drawings made by different experiencers that were put together for a conference at MIT about abductions:
here are some more drawings by abductees:
There’s a lot more pictures like these around. Note: if they’re clones or biological robots (as some think), maybe they're purposely created for different missions, which might explain why they can look quite different? Of course people who are frightened make even worse witnesses, so that might explain the differences in accounts.
I think sometimes people get dismissive because of the different reports on their appearances, (likewise with the craft). But, humans can look somewhat different from each other as well, even more so if you account for clothing for work/missions and gear to just possibly alien fashion.
So why would anyone believe in the Greys? I think there are probably a few lines of evidence. Some may find one or another more or less convincing or a combo of some or all of them, or even none of them. I’ll start with abductions.
By now thousands of people have claimed to be abductees (or “experiencers”) who have worked with investigators and hypnotherapists to understand what happened to them. I am sure there are many more who have suspicions, or who never have come forward to tell their stories or for help, and may who are simply mistaken. Of the NHI reported, by far the most common are the Greys, both shorter and taller. Let’s look at the first case that got widespread attention (particularly in America), one that is pretty typical in many ways, Betty and Barney Hill:
Betty and Barney were an interracial couple who reported seeing a UFO quite close to them in New Hampshire while driving. Betty was a social worker, active in her Unitarian church, while Barney was on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and a Postal Worker. Both were members of the NAACP and they seemed like reasonable people. After they saw a UFO in 1961, they noticed missing time. bizarre dreams, their watches not working, and a host of other oddities. At one point they contacted their friend the chief of police who recommend their next taken course of action that was contacting Pease Air Force Base. Eventually they contacted NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon), that was run by Director Major Donald Keyhoe ret., that was particularly focused on investigations of anomalous activity by military personal. This road later lead to them going under hypnosis. During this time they allegedly got in touch with memories of little men with big heads and big eyes communicating telepathically. Under hypnosis Betty allegedly drew a star map describing it as a map shown to her by the aliens. Amateur astronomer said it matched the star pattern around the binary system Zeta Reticuli. Even though it's certainly not conclusive, it's interesting, and got more interesting many years later when Bob Lazar said he was briefed while working near area 51, that the Greys came from Zeta Reticuli. One thing that some claim is that this lady who had no real astrology knowledge, created a drawing that had stars that were not even discovered until years later. There's lots of debate about all this on reddit still. Here's a picture of her drawing compared to the reality:
The audio of Barney Hill's regression is famous in UFO circles. If you want to listen I'll link it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0er29WQITo&t=196s
In it he's clearly terrified, but ultimately no significant physical lasting harm is done. Rather than talk about the thousands of individual accounts of abductions with Grey aliens I mention this one as it’s very typical of many of the claims made by other abductees. Here are other supposed signs of being an abductee: missing time, waking up where you didn't fall asleep, tinnitus, strange lights outside or inside the house, nose bleeds, unexplained scars or marks, fears and terror while in your house that doesn't seem to have a sensible origin or the resulting behavior of such fears like putting night lights everywhere, seeing animals outside your window or in your house that seem "off," dreams of walking, floating, or being examined, things not being where you left them, and unexplained information or a "voice" in your head, and more. Any one of these is probably not something an investigator would hit on, it's a combo of many of them.
Note “alien” is what people call them, but it carries assumptions that many UFO people are now disinclined to make about their possible origins.
The most famous, perhaps of all the abductees is perhaps Whitley Strieber, the author of the book Communion, and later many others (note: Travis Walton is pretty high up there too). Strieber studied law and later went into marketing. He eventually left being vice president of an advertising agency in NYC to become a writer and had written some horror novels earlier. But in 1987 his famous book “Communion” was published. In Communion he writes about his abduction experience by “the visitors.” The book famously has a picture of a Grey alien on the cover, although Strieber never says for certain if they are extraterrestrial or interdimensional. Since then he’s published more books on the subject. Strieber, like many now, are wondering if there is a connection with “the visitors” and trying to raise our consciousness, spirituality, and/or evolve us as a species. He claims these beings have taken him and communicated with him many times (he also describes other beings at times as well), and describes their typical litany of medical exams, missing time while going under hypnosis and so on. Strieber’s book and its infamous cover was so influential that in 1993 he claimed he had gotten 77,000 letters from people reporting UFO experiences.
Here’s the famous cover of the book Communion:
While I don’t claim I am an experiencer, when I was little, this cover really freaked me out. I remember being at Walden books at the mall a few times and I tried to never look at it because it gave me the shivers and more. I did get a lot of nosebleeds when little for no apparent reason and was really scared to be in my room in the dark alone, maybe I should get hypnotized too.... hehe?
There is still a lot of debate about Strieber. He claims to have implants embedded in his ear and that a surgeon removed part of it and it behaved unusually. You think he’d save it and have it investigated. He also claims he might have been part of some secret government experiments for unusually gifted kids as a child that got him on this tract, and for some that’s a bridge too far.
Now, let’s look at some prominent researchers in the abduction field.
We have people like Bud Hopkins, who in 1964 saw a UFO with 2 other people, and later in 1975 heard a story of a man who saw a UFO land and beings step out. After Hopkins wrote about it in the local paper, people started coming to him with their stories and Hopkins noticed the similarities: seeing craft, missing time, finding themselves someplace other than the remember being earlier, strange dreams/nightmares, small unexplained marks, vague memories, and an intense fear associated with what little they could remember. From here he got around to using hypnotic regression trying to uncover memories and it seemed to work in most cases. And while the practice is controversial Hopkins has tried to never lead the clients, even keeping some information out of the public sphere to prevent fakers from knowing all the things to say (I don't think he ever reveled that stuff), and even trying to dissuade people to see how insistent they are of the facts. What abductees have reported to many different researchers under under regression, and sometimes without hypnosis, are generally the same things: being paralyzed, medical type examinations, fear, pain, telepathic communications that sometimes tell them it’s going to be o.k., to cooperate, and sometimes receiving feelings of love, and sometimes environmental messages. They also repeatedly have procedures seemingly done on their reproductive organs, stories of strange pregnancies and being presented with or seeing alien-human hybrid children. Sometimes they also see other types of NHI (Non-Human Intelligences) working alongside the Greys and oftentimes seemingly supervising them. These other beings are mostly reported as the Nordic types or the Mantis/receiving types. It’s a lot to take in and it makes these people sound crazy.
It was Hopkins and his books, with all the bizarre claims from the seemingly "crazy" people, that made Head of the Harvard Psychiatry Department, John Mack curious enough to investigate these claimed abductions. Mack was trying to figure out what illnesses or delusions all these people suffered from and came to the conclusion they were actually having experiences. Like Hopkins and the next researcher I’ll mention, Mack started as a skeptic. Mack would go on to write books and lecture about the phenomenon while enduring intense ridicule. Sadly, Mack was hit by a drunk driver while walking in England and died in 2004. Here’s a link to one of his books (you can find him speaking in many YouTube Videos):
Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens
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Another prominent Researcher that Hopkins influenced is David Jacobs. Jacobs has a Ph.D in intellectual history and was a professor of history at Temple University. He was interested in UFOs early, not as a believer, but more in it as a cultural phenomenon to write about. However, he slowly began to believe something real was going on. Nevertheless, it took him more time to entertain alien abductions. But after meeting with Hopkins and later learning hypnosis he started seeing experiencers and then writing books on his thesis. He has claimed to have done over 1,200 sessions by the time of this email.
Jacobs, like most others, seems to think the main point of the abductions is some type of hybrid breeding program. The question for people who believe in this program, is what is its purpose? Some think it’s some type of outreach program to help us. Others have suggested the Greys are modifying/improving their own species after they had some calamity which ranges from destroying their own environment and not having a home to having over engineered their DNA so they no longer have feelings, or perhaps not being able to reproduce “normally,” and so on. Jacobs seems to think it might be a slow taker-over of earth by the hybrids that the Greys are engineering. Jacobs, and some others, tend to think the altruistic reasons communicated are a cover for the eventual take-over: not necessarily a violent one, maybe a seeming brotherhood at first that slowly becomes a situation in which they dominate us through either sheer intelligence, types of mental manipulation or both. People on both sides seem to think there are already some hybrids living among us and most think they have the ability to monitor and steer our thoughts away from them to prevent their discovery and outing.
This is all crazy stuff, but while it seems like it’s been easy to be dismissive of anything we don’t understand well, history is full of people from the “outside” passing judgement on things they have little expertise in and/or knowledge of. We see this in outsiders with science, economics, other disciplines, throughout history, even in sports. When highly qualified people who have done the most research say there’s a reality to this, then no matter how crazy their theory is, can we just dismiss them? That is the same dismissal people first had of hand washing, the Copernican revolution, heavier-than air flight, tectonic plates, cosmic expansion, natural selection, and a host of other revolutions in thought and science. While those things eventually found their evidence, hard evidence, on this we’re just now seemingly getting closer. It says something to me that the skeptics who start looking into most aspects of the UFO phenomenon, often come out being believers (not always, just more often than not).
The next evidence for the existence of the Greys I’ll present are crashes and landings.
First, the Roswell incident. I just talked about the July 7, 1947 crash in my last email and now I will focus on the Greys reportedly being the bodies found. Glen Dennis, the mortician at the local funeral home said in an affidavit that on July 7-8th someone from Roswell Army Air Field contacted the funeral home and asked about very small hermetically sealed caskets around 3.5-4 feet long. Further, they asked about how to prepare bodies that have been exposed to the desert. Dennis also said that a nurse he knew contacted him afterward and told him she had seen doctors on base examining bodies that were 3 ½ to 4 feet tall. There were supposedly 3 bodies with 2 badly damaged and 1 intact. They supposedly had large heads, hairless appearance, a narrow mouth-slit, large black eyes, 4 fingers (counting the thumb), and small slender bodies. He said this nurse was transferred away and he was warned not to talk about what he heard, which he didn't until he was much older.
Walter Haut was the base’s public information officer who in 2002 gave a “death-bed” confession that was to be sealed until after his death. After his death, at age 83, the notarized confession was unsealed. In it he related seeing an egg-shaped object about 12-15 feet long and 6 feet wide. He didn’t get a good look at the bodies but said they were the size of a 10 year old with large heads.
There are a few other people who have claimed to see things or hear things about bodies resembling the Greys, but none as good as those two. There is also the crash at Kingman Arizona of 1952 in which Greys were reportedly found. It’s not very famous and the evidence is not amazing, so let's move on to:
Simpler cases, of which there are a few like these one to choose from. In 1965 a French Farmer named Maurice Masse told of going out onto his field when he encountered an egg-shaped craft and two beings about 3.5-4 feet tall. They had pale skin, large baled heads, and large slanted eyes. They had small circular mouths and were wearing coveralls. One pointed a small tubular device at Masse and it paralyzed him until they flew away. There is a similar case from Mexico from 1964, and a similar one from Argentina in 2006, except those two both involved police officers. In the first of those two cases the officer came forward about what he saw, in the second one, the officer, Sergio Puchta, was found the next day in a field traumatized.
Next, a very significant case: The Ariel School Sighting near the Ariel school in Ruwa Zimbabwe in 1994. During recess around 60 children reported seeing a craft hovering silently over tree tops. It appeared to land away from the school and some children went to investigate. They reported seeing small humanoid figures with large heads and dark eyes. They also reported the figures moving in “strange ways” kind of floating. Interestingly, while the size of the figures and the large heads was consistent, some of the details were different. Many of the children had drawn drawings of what they saw and these were collected by researchers. Some people think the inconsistencies showed the event didn’t happen, while others point out it is the nature of children to misinterpret what they see and it could be the NHI were changing appearance in the way a human taking off a jacket or a hat would look different. All the children reported telepathic communication, with at least two kids getting messages about environmental destruction and how we treat the earth. As of 2022, the kids, now adults, haven't recanted their stories and most are still very affected by the experience. Here’s a link to a documentary of the incident (I would encourage this right after the next documentary further below, but both are really good):
Ariel Phenomenon (2022) 1080p WEBRip x265 An0mal1.mkv
Here’s some of the kids and what they drew:
Now moving on to The Varginha incident in Brazil from 1996. Personally, I like this case better than Roswell. There’s a lot to it, and I will include a link to a movie on it right here (If you have the time and interest to watch a documentary, I would watch this):
Moment.of.Contact.New.Revelations.of.Alien.Encounters.2025.1080p.WEB-DL.DDP5.1.H.264.mkv
It's by a guy named James Fox. If the link doesn’t work, I would still hunt down the video and watch it. It’s called “Moment of Contact: New Revelations of Alien Encounters,” 2025.
Here’s the outline of the story. 3 girls saw a small humanoid with a large head with 3 ridges and large red eyes, thin limbs and “oily” skin in an overgrown vacant lot. They ran away and to this day have not recanted their story. John Mack, went down and interviewed these girls and said he would stake his reputation on the reality of their trauma.
Separately a couple reported a cigar-shaped object emitting smoke and slowly moving above their farm hours before the girls saw the being. Another witness, Carlos de Souza was a teacher and ultralight pilot that claims he was the first person at the crash site of a school bus-shaped craft flying low and erratically. He described memory metal (just like people from Roswell described) and said the military suddenly arrived and ordered him to leave at gun point. Of course, like all the stories I am relating, I am giving just an overview and there are a lot more details in all these stories about what they saw, how the investigations were done, why we should or shouldn't believe any particular witness and so on.
Back to the Greys. A police officer in the area of where the girls were, reportedly captured one of the beings barehanded, maybe the same one the girls saw. He died weeks later from an unspecified systemic infection. His family has spoken about this many times. More interestingly, Dr. Italo Venturelli, a neurosurgeon from the hospital came forward saying he examined a captured being, maybe the same one? He said it was small and pale, no nipples, small mouth, and 4 fingers (counting the thumb). He said, like many abductees, that looking into its eyes gave him empathetic messages, a sense of peace, and profound intelligence. More recently, in June of 2026 the former Brazilian defense minister claimed that the 1996 incident was real and that nonhuman beings were encountered and captured and has been urging the U.S. to release files on aliens.
There’s more to this amazing story about a U.S. plane coming and taking all the debris and bodies, and other witnesses, but I am trying to limit my writing, once again, to just the Greys.
Now we move onto the whistleblowers. This will be people who have worked in government and have come forward with reports that involve the Greys.
First we’ll start with Bob Lazar who first came forward in 1989. Claiming to have worked at an annex of Area 51 called S4, Lazar has been the subject of numerous documentaries and much scrutiny. His story has some really strong parts to it, and some really weak points to it as well. Nevertheless, he claimed to read briefing documents and saw autopsy photos of the Greys, saying the military referred to them as “the kids,” while the Greys referred to us as “containers.” What that means has been the subject of much speculation, what are we containers of to them? The briefing document also says they are from the Zeta Reticuli star system, and some people to this day refer to them as “The Zetas.” He claimed to have worked on the power source on a recovered NHI craft and said on the main level there were 3 child-sized seats.
An even more controversial figure is Philip Schneider from 1995. He is a structural engineer and geologist who claimed to work on deep underground military bases (DUMBS). In lectures to UFO groups he claimed there was a battle in 1979 between aliens controlling the lower levels of a “Dulce Base” in New Mexico and humans on the higher levels after some kind of misunderstanding. Schneider describes taller Greys and reported the shooting of two of them, but one of them burning off his fingers with a some type of beam. His fingers are actually missing. It’s such a bizarre account and many in the UFO field are very skeptical of it.
Schenider (as well as others) also endorsed the claim that Eisenhower agreed to an arrangement of technology for abductions with the Greys in 1954. This is often called the Greada Treaty. While this particular treaty is not that well endorsed, more people who are verifiable former intelligence officers turned whistleblowers are stating there might have been contact and agreements made. Schneider and a few others say that the treaty was broken by the Greys and the fight at Dulce base was about us confronting the Greys about their abducting more people than they agreed to and not fulfilling their technological end of the deal as well. A more-respected source is a man named William Cooper, former Naval Intelligence, who famously wrote a book called "Behold a Pale Horse."
Some think this crop circle, that many claim is too complicated to have been made by people, is a reference to the “false gifts” and “broken promises” of the Greys, sent to us by some other species (The Nordics?). Some say it took some time before one researcher cracked the binary code of the wheel next to the image of the Grey. Crazy stuff.
The really complex crop circles are pretty perplexing. They haven’t really found any evidence of people making those and there are sightings of orbs in the areas sometimes. Again, crazy stuff. If you haven’t watched The Why Files episode on Crop Circles, it’s one of their bests. Here it is:
Aliens & Espionage: Crop Circles and the CIA Coverup | They Don't Want You to Know
Here’s a really cool crop circle just for fun:
A famous video of the greys was the “Skinny Bob” videos from 2011 when a user named “ivan0135” uploaded old looking, supposedly KGB, aliens videos. Many experts in fakes and CGI say they can’t tell for sure that it’s fake or real. Another such case is the case of “Victor” who is a supposed whistleblower who snuck out a video from Area 51 of a Grey being interrogated. I personally find this video less compelling. However, the claims Victor says in the interview fit with a lot of the lore. I will put links to the Skinny Bob videos and the Victor videos below:
Here’s Skinny Bob (note the videos of the Greys are about 2/3rds in): REAL ALIEN CAUGHT ON TAPE- Interrogated by the KGB-.mp4
Here’s the “Victor” interview. Again the stuff he says is interesting. The tape showing the alleged Grey is starts at about 5:35min in:
As I said, Victor says a couple of things in the interview that I find interesting. Victor claims that many scientists quit the program because they are discouraged about how little they really know and how little they are even capable of understanding. He seems to be hinting that our brains are simply not capable of understanding complexities that the Greys have tried to relate. Another is that we seem to have more in common spiritually with them than in any other way.
A story I do find intriguing and fairly compelling is the story of Boyd Bushman. Not long before his death in 2014 Bushman recorded what he called his “deathbed confession” video. Bushman, a double major in mathematics and physics, with an MBA from University of Michigan, worked as a research scientist (mostly as a senior researcher at Lockheed Martin) for over 40 years. By the time he retired I understand he had over 38 patents and much of his work is still classified. He claimed in his “deathbed confessions” that he worked on black-budget projects out of Area 51 to reverse engineer alien tech focusing on anti-gravity, and field manipulation. However, in his confession video he showed photos of the aliens, talked about how they’re from 68 light years away, live over 200 years, are highly telepathic, and there are at least two types and that we have differing relationships with each: one more positive than the other. He also goes into their physiology more. I’ll leave the video right here:
The Boyd Bushman death bed confession
Next we have the “4chan Whistleblower” of 2023. It's really more of an anonymous online claim, but I put it and the one below in this section.The website 4chan had a post that was very long, more of an information dump Q&A where a person claiming to be a former recovery program operator with terminal cancer decided to come forward and post about what they knew and then answer questions posted about their knowledge. In the post the guy, who is either legit, or knows a lot of UFO lore, claims that many of the UFOs we see are built by massive, mobile, underwater construction facilities of which there are more than one in our oceans. Of note: David Grush and others have later made similar claims. He claims that UFOs are built to spec for specific missions, and that the Greys are clones grown to interface with the craft and carry out missions and are disposable.They also have a limited “hive mind” and have no culture in the way we think of culture. That the world’s powers try not to disturb the underwater bases but try to recover the crashed craft to understand them better and reserve engineer them. The construction unit seems mostly to run on some type of AI that mines materials, produces craft and biological units, and performs surveillance, and research. In the post which I have linked below there is more on the anatomy, and the guessed at philosophies of the Greys, or whomever is in charge. He is also very upfront about not knowing the answers to questions asked at times.
Here’s the YouTube channel, Area 52’s reading of the original post in 3 parts. It’s interesting and entertaining (I highly encourage this for people wanting to get into UFO lore and theories):
The Official Area52 Podcast Channel. Hosted by Chris Ramsay.
Here’s a long picture of the question and answer section:
The next video is from Area 52 is a guy claiming to be a biologist who studied the Greys. It’s really interesting. It’s largely anatomical, but then it goes into the philosophies/beliefs of the EBOs (Extra-Terrestrial Biological Entities). Here’s the link to this really interesting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1es08egHr0o&t=1040s
Here’s some screenshots of the part about their philosophy, which is interesting even if not true. But, if true, would explain a lot:
Here’s some more, but this time about the anatomy:
Here’s the link again:
The FULL Anatomy of a Grey Alien! - Is this Proof? - DEBRIEFED ep. 15
I'll end this section talking about Eric Davis and David Grush, both of whom I've mentioned before. Davis is a physicist who worked on top secret projects and has testified to the senate about off-world materials. He has more recently testified to congressional representatives that the Greys are one of 4 types.
Eric Davis tells Congressman he is aware of 4 alien species: Grays, Nordics, Insectoids, Reptillians
David Grush, whom I’ve written a lot about including him working for for the military and mostly intelligence organizations both enlisted and as a civilian (at the rank of colonel) before later testifying under oath to congress about a crash retrieval program that has recovered non-human craft. Very recently Grusch said he has in fact seen videos of dead NHI and commented, “and what do you know? Some of them look exactly as reported by credible experiencers.”
I find it hard to believe that all of these people are liars, fools, or otherwise wrong. All it takes is for one of these sightings, abductions, crashes etc… to be accurate for this to be a legitimate phenomenon involving some type of NHI.
So, if there is a legitimate phenomenon, what’s really going on? No one for sure knows and a lot of researchers are looking for intersections of evidence of various types and quality to find the most probable scenarios. I'll relate the main theories out there (I am sure I'll miss some):
-simply extra-terrestrial scientists (from Zeta Reticuli?) studying us and/or our planet and either not caring if we see them, or purposely being discreet knowing that our clear knowledge of their presence on a mass scale would change the data. In research that’s called “reactivity.”
-a race from a dying planet looking for a new home and the hybrids might be a way to modify them to live here and integrate into our society (and as I mentioned earlier, maybe intentionally, or not, they’ll eventually displace us because of their innate intelligence and/or telepathy)
-a group working to evolve us in some way: consciously, spiritually, ethically, environmentally…?
-a group trying to protect the sanctity of life on our planet: maybe they favor sentient life, maybe animal life or maybe all life equally.
-a race that has changed its DNA so much they can no longer reproduce sexually so they are using us for genetic material.
conquerors working on, to us, a very slow timeline.
-our creators, working to evolve us, or study us.
-they’re avatars for “interdimensional beings” that can’t come or exist here in their true form so they use Greys as “containers” to interface with our reality. It’s worth noting here that they seem very indifferent to their own deaths and that may imply different things about what they are or what they know about the nature of life/souls/afterlife, etc...
-demons, maybe even biblical as it’s worth noting that supposedly some people have been able to stop their abduction by invoking the name of Jesus: at least that’s what they said.
-a race that is ocean dwelling but indigenous to earth and maybe an ancient civilization like Atlantis.
-they are some type of spirit being from a different plane of existence.
-workers/clones/bio-robots for a different intelligence like the Mantids, the Nordics, or even a group of differing intelligences
-time traveling “humans” from the future that have “ruined” their DNA, or planet, and are either coming back to warn us of catastrophe or to harvest our DNA to become more human again.
More:
It’s been speculated that whatever they’re up to we simply can’t trust them as they could be manipulating us at every turn and be many steps ahead of us with a likely superior intelligence somewhat akin to our intelligence vs. that of chimps (maybe even AI assisted). It may also even be that we cannot possibly even understand, or even guess, at what they’re up to as their alien motives are too far from our world view intellectually, scientifically, ethically, etc… It would be like animals at the vet, or rats in a lab, who couldn’t possibly understand what the vet, or researchers, are doing and why, no matter how hard they to explain it
If I had to guess I think they’re here to spread what they see as an evolved type of consciousness/spirituality but slowly by our timeline. I think they interceded more when we developed the capacity to destroy our environment with modern tech, particularly nuclear power and the waste, and destruction that comes with it. That it’s time for us to “grow up” as a species so to speak. However, I am not certain they are in charge of this all as they might just be clones or some type of biological robot for some other intelligence. More, I think like humans, there are different Greys with different agendas, allegiances, and methods. Maybe it’s their “masters,” or owners, or compatriots, who are directing or cooperating with them in these differing ways?
But if they wanted to exterminate us, it seems they could have already, even a thousand years ago. They don’t seem to be often hurting people physically (though there are cases). And we know they do have physical bodies and physical craft which makes me less inclined to think they are some type of “spectral” being.
Ultimately, I don’t know what’s going on, maybe some people do, but I don’t know who they would be? Maybe no one really knows?
~Sam
…wait, as a little bonus fun I've added one last section for fun. So here’s some historical and archaeological “evidence” of the Greys. Not the best evidence by any means, but fun nonetheless:
Some people think the elongated skulls could be a sign of ancient civilizations trying to copy the Greys: kind of like the imitative parts of the Cargo Cult phenomenon. It was done in quite a few places and from Europe to the Americas before any contact with Europeans, so how did it come to be separately and so far apart?
Here’s the wiki article:
Artificial cranial deformation - Wikipedia
Here’s a more mysterious take on it:
The Mystery of Peru's Elongated Skulls – Science vs Myth — Louis Wolf
Then there is the art of the Indigenous Australian societies from 5,000 BC that looked like this:
Here is a site about that stuff (note there are a few more alien looking ones):
https://www.aboriginal-bark-paintings.com/kimberley-rock-art/
Here’s Sego Canyon in Utah:
There’s other “ancient alien” stuff out there, but I wanted to limit it to depictions of Greys. I don’t put any stock in all of these, but do think they are interesting.
Take care and next will probably be the Mantids (they’re my favorite).
--- Conduit Closing (if your read closely you know where I got that last part).
Sam
October 3, 2026
Hello All,
I decided to write this email about the Legacy Program and its components. Honestly, I bit off too much with this subject so at the end I’ll put in some links for anyone who wants more: it’s just too big, with too many threads to pull and moving parts. If this is all too much feel free to save, skip, or delete, but I would really appreciate it if you first skipped ahead and read the stuff on David Grush. It’s near the end, so if you don’t want to read the other stuff yet, or ever, you can skip to the next place his name comes up, thanks; it’s funny and interesting and if true reading it will help lessen the shock of it when disclosure happens. So with it in mind that none of this is certain here we go:
We don’t know for sure who is in charge and how the program(s) are structured and hidden, but we have clues. Seemingly at the top is the CIA science division and the National Security Council. Under that seems to be elements in the Department of Defense and the Air Force along with Naval Intelligence and the Department of Energy. Below that are the FFRDCs (Federally Funded Research and Development Centers. After that there is a smattering of private contractors. I am sure that isn’t exact, but that general outline is what a lot of researchers are pointing to. There are further speculations of how and why each of these organizations is part of this and at the level they are and I can go into that at some other time perhaps. One thing pretty consistent is that few politicians are read in as they are considered “part time” employees and not that reliable.
So, what bread crumbs have we found pointing at a conspiracy.
Perhaps the first sign there is some type of cover-up is the famous Roswell crash of July 8th 1947. While I might spend more time writing a deeper dive in into Roswell, here are some telling basic things:
1: The official release said they had recovered a flying disk, which of course was later reversed to be a weather balloon. The problem being it’s hard to believe that a Major who was the base intel officer and a Colonel who was the Base Commander would mistake a weather balloon for a flying saucer, even in a wrecked state. And if it was a secret weather balloon, as the Army would say many years later, then why announce it to the news in the first place?
2. Major Jesse Marcel and Rancher Mack Brazel described memory like foil that could crumple and return to its form and small beams with symbols (kind of like hieroglyphics) on them. Nothing like that would have been on a weather balloon or any other balloon that we now know from that time, probably even today.
3: Decades later Major Jesse Marcel came forward saying the debris in the retraction story were a substitution and unlike the original wreckage that had materials possessing amazing properties.
4. Interestingly there is the “Ramey Memo” in which the famous picture of Brigadier General Roger Ramey holding part of the “weather balloon” debris is also holding a teletype memo. Ufologists have claimed that with high-resolution scans they can make out “victims of the wreck,” “disc,” and “in the disc” from the picture of the memo. However, the problem being if you look at it, it’s hard to see how they got to that.
https://sites.libraries.uta.edu/roswell/ramey-memo
5. In later years General Thomas DuBose stated on record that orders from Washington was to initiate a cover story for Roswell.
http://www.roswellproof.com/dubose.html
6: Walter Haut, the public relations officer at Roswell Army Air Field had signed an affidavit stating he saw an egg-shaped craft and two child sized bodies. He was not alone. Roswell mortician Glenn Dennis claimed in 1994 that an army nurse confided in him of seeing non-human bodies brought into the base. Years later the government said it was a classified Cold War project, and later said there were also crash test dummies on board the balloon that were what was mistaken for alien bodies that by now others many had said were also retrieved along with the crash wreckage. A problem with this is that the dummy drops done by the Air Force were years after Roswell.
7: Since then numerous whistleblowers have said Roswell was real. Maybe someday we’ll find out. There’s lots more interlocking testimony to the story, but nothing much more solid.
However, if you want more here you go (make sure to dig deep and check sources on this page):
http://www.roswellproof.com/dubose.html
What is more solid is the 1953 Robertson Panel run by the CIA after the 1952 Washington D.C. wave. Here’s a cia.gov link to it:
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79B00752A000300100010-4.pdf
First, a little about the DC wave that largely brought about the creation of the panel.
On July 19-20 ATC (air traffic control) at National Airport, and later the airport’s other radar (short range detection), as well as Radar Operators at Andrews Air Force Based tracked blips that were at times slow, but made sudden bursts of speed such that radar could not track them continuously. Eyewitnesses and airline pilots also reported bright glowing orbs (sound familiar?) that streaked, circled and stopped before shooting off at “blinding speeds.” Much of this was in restricted airspace over the White House and the Capital.
The following weekend of July 29-27th, the same thing happened again and two F-94 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept. The F-94s were also equipped with radar that tracked the same returns as the ground radar. At one point at least one of the UFOs turned and came at the fighters. After asking if they should open fire and a tense moment or two, the UFO(s) darted away. The pilot tried to give chase but later would say, "I was at my maximum speed but...I ceased chasing them because I saw no chance of overtaking them."
Later the Pentagon would say it was temperature inversions bending radar beams, stars and meteors. I am not making this up: witnesses on the ground, 3 independent ground radars, 2 fighter pilots and their radars, a DC-4 pilot, and tower operators were all seeing the same things, but they all got it wrong, it was stars and meteors. Please. Importantly though, this was not a one-time thing, there are glowing orbs that are seen on radar outperforming anything we have seen over and over and still today.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ufo-government5.htm
https://ufoevidence.com/case/washington-d-c-flap/
The reason I mention the 1952 D.C. UFO incident is because of all the “UFO panic” (it was really called that) going on, the Robertson Panel was created. It felt an enemy could flood the United States with false UFO reports causing mass panic for a sneak attack. Feeling the “flying saucer situation” could have national security implications by touching off mass-hysteria” the panel recommended Project Blue Book, the Air Force’s public investigation into UFOs, rarely publicize cases it didn’t label as solved, and recommended the U.S. government launch a public “debunking” campaign to reduce public interest in UFOs. “They suggested debunkery through mass media, including Walt Disney Productions, and using psychologists, astronomers, and celebrities to ridicule the phenomenon and put forward prosaic explanations.” Furthermore, civilian UFO groups should be monitored with the possible use of the groups for subversive purposes kept in mind. Most of this was supposedly per the CIA.
Can the CIA do such things? According to the Frontier Centre for Public Policy: “George Bush, then head of the CIA, allowed the Church Committee in 1975 to receive, per request, one-paragraph summaries on more than 400 CIA media assets, which further requested extensive documentation on 25 of them. The files on each one were three to 11 inches thick. Despite redacted details, legislators determined the names of these “journalists in the most prominent sectors of the American press corps, including four or five of the largest newspapers in the country, the broadcast networks and the two major newsweekly magazines.” The Church Committee in 1976 concluded that at least 50 journalists had official, but secret, relationships with the CIA.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP91-00901R000600400020-9.pdf
This practice was supposed to be banned in 1977, was it?
Perhaps the best article I’ve run across so far outside of UFO space about this is this one from the CATO Institute. It’s about how the “national security state manipulates news media.” See link below if interested:
https://www.cato.org/commentary/how-national-security-state-manipulates-news-media
What other evidence do we have?
Another piece of evidence we have of a UFO program of disinformation is the story of Richard Doty. Doty was at one time a 20 year Air Force intelligence officer, who later came out and said his job was to infiltrate UFO communities and spread false information to confuse UFO investigators and get them fighting amongst themselves about facts rather than collaborate and find the truth (and it was considered very successful). He has since come forward in 2019 and said a lot of the stuff he spread is not far from the truth (which is why it worked) and that the government indeed has recovered crashed craft. But can he be believed now after saying he lied before, or is he now truly a good faith actor?
William “Bill” Moore is a similar case. Moore was a UFO author who had been interested in the subject at a young age. He wrote about Roswell in 1980 among other things. In 1989 he came out at a MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) meeting and admitted that he, on behalf of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, planted disinformation in the UFO community to confuse them to the point of infighting and ineffectiveness. Moore was booed offstage and his career failed.
A good article about this stuff and more is here:
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/147/623330/society-of-the-psyop-part-1-ufos-and-the-future-of-media
A place to learn about all this on one place is the movie, “Mirage Men” found for free on YouTube: (it’s based on a book of the same name):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4jXCB9MTIE
Outside evidence of the reality of the phenomenon and the cover-up can be found in a memo from a man named Harry Turner, who was the head of the Nuclear Branch in Australia's Joint Intelligence Program. Turner had come to the U.S. on many occasions and worked closely with UFO Intelligence. But he answered to Australia and in 1971 he wrote a memo you can find in Australia's National Archives here:
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=30030606&S=1
In the memo, Turner discusses that in the 1940s the USAF had concluded that UFOs were real physical objects with flight characteristics way beyond their aircraft. Further, UFOs were intelligently controlled, and generally disc shaped. The flight characteristics, the memo stated, were all the ones recorded before and since: extreme velocity, direction changes, silently hovering, and so on. Also, events like electromagnetic disruptions and some directed energy effects were recorded as well. His memo relayed the CIA fears that the Soviets could use the confusion over UFOs to launch an attack and that Blue Book was, in fact, a cover up and so was the 1969 Condon Report, and that the termination of both had zero effect on classified U.S. research into the phenomenon. Moreover, that the U.S. was secretly trying to create anti-gravity propulsion (that’s a whole different topic that’s quite big).
Turner asserts that as the Air Force was getting more and more publicly dismissive of UFOs the CIA was getting more deeply interested and relates that the Robertson panel suggested debunking the phenomenon, something I covered above.
To me the most interesting part of Turner’s memo is the relating of the facts concerning Gen. Coady Wedemeyer. He was a 4-star general who worked primarily in intelligence and who later served on the board of directors for the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, a civilian organization to study UFOs. Coming from an intelligence background, to me it says a lot that he later criticized Blue Book for holding back facts and he asserted that UFOs were real physical craft under intelligent control.
In an attempt to control people like Wedemeyer, revealing information they knew from time served, the 1960 Espionage Act made it explicitly a crime to release unauthorized military reports or federal data related to UFOs.
Among others who criticized Blue Book are:
-Dr. J. Allen Hyneck the chief science advisor and astronomer for Blue Book who was initially a skeptic and later a believer and wrote a book and started an organization to uncover the truth.
-Dr. Jacques Vallee an astronomer and computer scientist who later reported that Blue Book would alter and omit cases to perpetuate a cover-up..
-Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, Blue Book’s first director who later wrote that Air Force leadership treated Blue Book as a debunking campaign.
-Brigadier Gen. Arthur Exon, who served as the commander of Wright-Patterson ARB, where Blue Book was stationed, who later said that it was a public distraction with the high-security UFO incidents going to higher level command groups.
Brigadier Gen. Carroll H. Bolender, who said that UFOs that could affect national security were handled through a separate classification system. This was later confirmed by Major Donald Keyhoe, a former Marine aviator, turned investigator, and Dr. James E. McDonald, an atmospheric physicist, who audited Blue Book files and also presented evidence that the staff at Blue Book systematically mislabeled pilot and radar sightings as “inversion layers” and “swamp gas” without follow up.
Next is the Wilson Davis Memo. The memo leaked from Edgar Mitchell’s (the astronaut and sixth man to walk on the moon) estate after he passed away. Mitchell was a UFO beliver and colleague of Eric Davis at the National Institute for Discovery Science. Mitchell himself said that extraterrestrial life has visited earth and the government had covered it up for decades. He also claimed Roswell was real, and the UFOs seem to be concerned with us not using nuclear weapons on ourselves or our planet. Here’s some stuff on Mitchell:
Davis himself testified more than once to members of Congress and the Senate about the program, recovered materials and different alien species.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-consultant-briefed-senators-discovery-182905679.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRWV5i_J3o4&t=970s
Back to the memo:
The notes attributed to physicist Eric Davis describe a 2002 conversation he had with retired 4-star Admiral Thomas Wilson, who had served as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. According to the notes, Wilson described investigating an extremely restricted Special Access Program involving a major aerospace contractor and alleged recovered non-human technology. Wilson talks about his frustration about not being granted access to the program that was run by private contractors which are both safer from government oversight and the Freedom of Information Act.
Davis has since confirmed that it’s a real factually accurate document:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy8qS-8omMc
Here’s a link from congress.gov of the memo:
https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114761/documents/HHRG-117-IG05-20220517-SD001.pdf
Perhaps the best info on the Wilson-Davis Memo that I’ve seen is from a Youtuber of the highest quality. It’s here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIqkazIZh9I&t=1s
Then we get to the 2004 Nimitz encounter.
This is one I've talked about before, but it belongs in this discussion because there are multiple military witnesses, radar operators and pilots involved.
Quick reminded: the USS Princeton reportedly tracked unusual objects before F-18s were sent to investigate. Commander David Fravor and other pilots encountered the object that became known as the Tic-Tac and the rest I’ve covered plenty as well.
What makes it part of this email is the issues with what happened to the radar data from the USS Princeton. Several Princeton personnel have described people arriving after the encounter by helicopter and coming to the radar operators with the commander of the ship. Gary Voorhis, a retired radar specialist, said that the men were in suits and confiscated radar data, hard drives, backups.
Reporting on USS Princeton personnel and the Nimitz encounter
Additional reporting on the Nimitz data
Later came the events of 2017.
The New York Times reported on the Pentagon's previously undisclosed Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or AATIP. This was followed by additional UAP programs, congressional interest and eventually the creation of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AARO. What makes this important is that this was clearly a study of UFOs/UAP, and that the government had previously denied they were studying UFOs. Why lie, unless there is something to hide? And they are not alone. NASA and others lied about not collecting UFO data and now Trump’s releases have shown some of these organizations were not honest in what videos and reports they were collecting.
Next up is David Grusch.
Grusch is a former intelligence official with access to classified information. He has a degree in physics, a Master's in Intelligence Studies, and another in Public Administration. He was a Major in the Air Force, worked at the National Reconnaissance Office from 2013-21, and then at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency from 2021-23 at the level GS-15, which is equivalent to Colonel. He also worked consulting as a systems engineering and technical advisor at DARPA and the Office of the Chief of Naval Operations from 2016-2020. Finally, he worked as an advisor of Representative Eric Burlison focusing on the UAP issue for the last 1.5 years.
Grush testified under oath to Congress on July 26th 2023, that the U.S. government has had crash retrieval and reverse engineering operations for a long time now and has recovered both crashed vehicles and bodies of NHI. Before this he supplied information to the Inspector General of Congress who found his information credible and worth investigation. He’s generally considered one of the most credible of the various government sources/whistleblowers…so far. And for what it’s worth, he’s never written a book, doesn’t do a lot of interviews or in other ways seemingly tried to cash in on his UFO celebrity.
However, his most noteworthy (and crazy for people not deep into this stuff) video is perhaps his recent interview with Joe Rogan from just a few days ago. Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYPXINFcvmI&t=4126s
In the interview he said more than during his time testifying on the Congressional floor (although he said many times in Congress that certain things he would testify to in a more secure setting, which he reported he has indeed done). It seems that quite a few UFO whistleblowers are feeling emboldened by The White House’s push for openness on this subject and are coming forward with more information.
On Rogan, he said he has seen video of dead NHI, & knows of different species, verifying the Nodics, Greys, and Reptilians. He said he’s heard of the Mantis/Insectoid types, but can’t personally confirm. He said that the Greys are likely some type of biological robot or clone and there are different looking ones: taller and shorter, and slight differences in head shape, etc… There are also slightly different reptilians, just like there are different looking “races” of people. He also mentioned that it’s true that there is some type of telepathy involved; certainly The Greys and probably others as well. He’s also said that there are clearly some types of underwater mobile bases in our oceans.
Grush said that we have had recovered tech and that some of it has inspired some of our own tech, and that he feels that disclosure will happen before Trump leaves office based on the word he’s hearing from his sources. He said that he expects ontological shocks, and that there has even been concern that disclosure will trigger a response from NHI. He guessed also that if we don’t disclose, a future AI system could start researching and reasoning enough to figure out the truth and disclose.
There is more in the video as well. They both talk about other CIA coverups. They talk about things like the supposed stuff being found under the pyramids, and the Baltic Sea Underwater Anomaly (which is interesting, but not nearly as interesting as the underwater city off Cuba).
https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/article-863102
Finally, early on Grush mentions that he’s seen evidence of some of the crimes people in the intelligence community do to get untraceable funds like in the Iran Contra Affair, including human trafficking.
Another recent interview I want to add is this one.It’s Peter Skafish, a Ph.D anthropologist from Bekerley the College de France, McGill University, and Bauhaus University who is now working on the presidential advisory board for UAP talking about disclosure and how pressing the issue is becoming with a politician in England. They also talk about how it might go down and some of the concerns. (it’s not that interesting, but just came out and shows that more people in the know are taking disclosure more seriously):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB_FecFxj9U
I’ve included a lot of stuff over my emails. Some of which is likely to be rumor or misidentification. But if even one of these things is what I think it is, a non-human intelligence, then the phenomenon isn’t a WHOLE bunch of lies, frauds, cases of mistaken identification, delusion, and even disinformation. I think it’s more likely that NHI is indeed real and here.
Lastly, to mention again, a researcher that stands above most all others: UAPGerb. He’s an engineer, and has a dying passion for UFOs since an early age and his stated dream job is writing a history of the UFO cover-up. Also, his real name is Sam and he trains Jiu-Jitsu…but I don’t think I am biased hahaha (I only found out about the Jiu-Jitsu stuff recently). One thing he focuses on a lot is all the different programs including private contractors and the FFRDCs that can operate outside of government and political oversight as well as beyond the Freedom of Information Act. His videos are so very good. It’s just that they are very long and detailed and fast moving. I can’t even watch them all. But if you’re ready to dip in, I would start here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR-h5p2bd-A
Here’s some more in case you have a good 15 hours you want to spend watching videos.
UAP Gerb's research into the National Reconnaissance Office
UAP Gerb's research into Sandia National Laboratories
UAP Gerb's research into Lockheed Martin
UAP Gerb's research into Northrop Grumman and TRW
UAP Gerb's research into MITRE
,Sam
September 15th 2026
Hey UFO group,
As always feel free to do whatever with this email: save, skip, re-read over and over, delete, etc… (I would certainly understand any of those).
Note: to save you time I put comments to the links on how useful and interesting they may be to some people, as some links are mostly just to reference my sources…which may be interesting to some).
So now, off we go.
First, just two days ago there is a new whistleblower protection act being rolled out by the Trump admin supposedly offering immunity to military, former military, scientists, and/or contractors (pretty much anyone) if they come forward with UAP related information. According to the Newsweek article (posted below) it allows people to be free of their Special Access Program (SAP) agreements and any NDAs related to the subject. However, they have to come forward to Trump’s government and some people think it’s going to be a whitewashing operation, or ineffective in various ways. We’ll see if it’s in good faith, if people trust it, and maybe how much truth is out there? Old bills were considered not to be in good faith for a lot of reasons (see video below the Newsweek article if interested).. If people do come forward it’s going to take a while for people to do so, the information processed and all the subsequent steps, before we, the public, learn anything, if ever. I don’t know that much about this act yet but it seems like a step closer to some type of disclosure, even if limited at first (many UFO people think the government will never give full disclosure of things they suspect are true: secret deals with NHI type stuff). Here’s the Newsweek article:
New Pentagon waiver expands UFO disclosure efforts
Here’s one of my favorite UFO researchers talking about the details and intricacies of the program and why it might entice people, or not be anything different from other programs that came before it: (maybe not that interesting, but a very thoughtful take and I've listened to a few already)
UAP Whistleblowers: What is the Pentagon Actually Promising?
Also, I just found out the UFO documentary about the 1996 Varginha UFO event in Brazil, "Moment of Contact: New revelations of Alien Encounters,” is out for free on YouTube. The Producer, James Fox, has said he doesn't make these for money but to get to and expose the truth and once he can pay the bills he wants them out for free. Looks like he delivered. The documentary has multiple doctors testifying to seeing bodies and an alive being also as well as witnesses who saw the beings that haven’t changed their stories in years and so on. Also Brazil’s former Minister of Defense publicly confirmed the 1996 incident was real, that a craft crashed and non-human bodies were recovered. It’s still weird to me that someone like that can say this publicly and there isn’t more follow through. Anyway, here’s the link, I would suggest you watch it in your free time, it’s very good:
Moment of Contact: New Revelations of Alien Encounters
Next: more movement from D.C. I wanted to share a video of Rep. Tim Burchett. In this video he talks about meetings in S.C.I.F.s (Secure Compartmented Information Facility) seeing stuff that he thinks everyone in America has the right to see. He talks about the cover up, the missing money, and how ridiculous it is to think the objects we see in our airspace endangering our own pilots in flight are ours. Burchett also talks about “incidents” after Roswell and also talks about some of the underwater data he’s seen of sonar contacts performing in ways beyond anything any modern nation has produced. Representatives Luna, Gates, and Burlison have both said the same things about their times in S.C.I.Fs. but this video just came out. He also mentions that yes, Matt Gatez did a video talking about how military insiders have talked about the hybrid breeding program, but he says he has seen nothing to believe that. I’ll talk more about the alleged breeding program in a future email that I keep planning to write. Ultimately he and others have been trying to get Trump to disclose and they think he might. I am not so sure, but we’ll see? Here’s the video:
Trump & the UFO files: The push for disclosure intensifies | Reality Check Rewind (watch this)
I did talk to Eric, who some of you might not know. He’s a good friend and lives very close. He agreed testimony can be evidence, but it’s not nearly as convincing as physical evidence. We sure agree on that one! If we had enough physical evidence, we could have more conclusions. Clearly the lack of physical/hard/verifiable evidence -along with the high strangeness of the phenomenon- keeps many people from taking this whole thing seriously…but it is getting more mainstream. We discussed different weights we would give to differing testimonies from Biblical testimony, in which case the witnesses are testifying to something very strange (miracle type stuff), aren’t experts, and are not available to cross-examine, to your neighbors testifying that they saw a man enter your house and leave with your T.V. that you have physical evidence is missing. One thing that we unpacked is that testimony and its conclusions are weighted very differently by different people as we all take into account the levels of expertise, the situation, the possible motivations, the number of witnesses, any collaborating video, sensor and/or physical evidence, the conclusions of the people testifying and other elements differently. There are a lot of studies on witnesses and it’s true lay people alone make a lot of mistakes, but the mistakes go down quite a bit when you have multiple witnesses and much further with expert witnesses. It may not be that interesting to many people I think, but you can search studies on witness reliability. Ultimately you can think of my arguments as if I am both a detective looking for evidence of what’s going on, and a lawyer making a case to consider. I might tell you what the data shows at times, but you can always feel free to have a different opinion. If any of you want you can imagine me adding “in my opinion” to everything I write and to imagine me encouraging you to think on your own (which I want). I am just presenting a case. And with that being said…
I want to talk more about evidence and pilots and why I myself believe so strongly in the testimony of pilots.
Here’s a good start from PBS: (highly recommended 3min video-definitely watch this one):
UFO Sightings: Navy Pilots Share Their Experiences | NOVA | PBS
Next, another video that JUST got put out on “Safe Aerospace Podcast” with yet another F-18 pilot coming out talking about things he’s seen. He also talks about the reasons pilots often don’t want to come forward (fear of ridicule, fear of getting passed over for promotions, and fear of getting grounded while going through psych evaluations). They also they talk about radar picking up these objects as well…most modern day pilots do. Pilots have been seeing this stuff for a long time, but the dam is now breaking some as a few brave pilots have come forward paving the way for more are to come forward. Here’s that video: (Note: just more “data” about pilots seeing stuff roughly summed up in above paragraph- but if you like pilot talk you might like this...but a better video is coming up for that type of stuff)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZKYUyuuE7o
Next is a video by Dr. Phil, who has become a strong proponent of UFO disclosure. In this video he talks about the “alarming” UFO data not reported by “the most reliable witnesses” the “military and commercial" pilots. The video claims very few pilots report their sightings because of the fear of being grounded, lost careers, or being medically unfit to fly. Then there is an interview with a blacked out, but vetted, current airline pilot who won’t speak openly because he doesn't want to be grounded. He mentions a fellow pilot that got a cease and desist letter from the airline he worked for for starting to openly talk about seeing UFOs. The pilot being interviewed related he was told more casually by his company to not talk about anomalous things he’s seen. It does seem that the current government has made it more acceptable to report UFOs, but this is newer, very recent development. We’ve probably lost a lot of potential testimony from very bright, technical-minded experts.. Note: I am not a huge Dr. Phil fan, but the people he’s interviewing are what I am interested in. Here’s the video: (put here for reference but can watch yourself if you’d like as some might find it interesting)
Silence From the Cockpit: An Airline Pilot's UAP Confession
Another video that I recommend watching is this one, again with Dr. Phil, who is a private pilot himself, talking to Ryan Graves who testified under oath to Congress about UAP sightings and reports on other military aviators who saw things like he saw. Let’s take a moment to look at Ryan Graves. Graves has a B.S. in both mechanical engineering and Aerospace Engineering in a combined program from Worcester Polytechnic Institute. He flew an F-18 Hornet for the U.S. Navy and later became an instructor. He had specialized training as a Forward Air Controller and Rescue Mission Commander. He served 10 years and had deployments in Operations Enduring Freedom and Operation Inherent Resolve. In the video below he talks about the number of pilots who he’s spoken to in private who don’t want to come forward, both military and commercial, for fear of ridicule or even worse, a psych hold on being able to fly. He talks about the consistency of the sightings that far outperform anything known that our current tech is capable of. He also talks about how all these grainy videos of so-so quality we've seen are pretty much all because of radar tracking to vector pilots to those locations. Here’s the video:(pretty good and I recommend)
Eyes In Skies: A Former Fighter Pilot's Encounter With UAPs
Since coming forward Graves has organized the Americans for Safe Aerospace project. It’s non-profit to collect UAP reports from pilots to allow them to come forward and to report what they saw and to inform congress and to destigmatize the whole reporting process. It has other reporter and interviews with pilots (mostly military) on its website. (link for reference):
Americans for Safe Aerospace | Safer skies, better answers
It is just my opinion, but this is a near unimpeachable witness. He took risks, is clearly sane, testified under oath, has put time and effort into trying to help others, served his country, knows what’s in the air and not, knows military capabilities, and understands engineering science. And there are reports from all over the world of men and women who have seen the same things he's seen. This is a real phenomenon, and these are amazing witnesses, particularly as a group and with the radar tracking and FLIR footage thrown in. These people saw that they saw: something intelligent, not made by humans, flying around. Could they be wrong, yes, but I don’t believe they all are, nor are they delusional, or are they liars.
I think for many, the implications of NHI (non-human intelligence) interacting with us is so hard to get around that you have to sit with it for a while (I still have to sometimes), but it’s been like that throughout history for new paradigm shifts. But the observers and their observations are near unimpeachable (in my opinion).
Before I finish, I will sum up 2 incidents that I think are really amazing. Note: there are more amazing incidents, I just picked these two for now. First, the more recent. In late 1989 in the Belgium town of Eupen two police officers reported seeing a massive triangular object hovering silently over a field. The object had lights at each corner and a central light as well. While Black silent triangles are well known now in UFO lore, this was before that. Within hours 30 more groups of witnesses and 3 more police patrols reported similar formations of lights moving slowly in the sky. Over the following weeks over 140 people reported similar objects. By early 1990 there were over 400 sightings with consistent geometric descriptions. Then on March 30-31 1990 ground witnesses reported more sightings and two separate military radar installations detected unidentified objects correlated with the visual reports. 2 F-16 fighters were sent to investigate. The F-16s attempted 9 different intercepts over 1 hour’s time and only achieved brief radar locks (one skeptic thinks they were just locking onto each other). Each time they locked on, the objects performed maneuvers “defying known aerodynamic limits.” Major P. Lambrechts, of the Belgian Air Force reported targets accelerated from 150 knots (170mph) to 970 knots (1,117mph) in seconds and descended from 9000 feet to 500 feet in under five seconds while performing sharp turns under acceleration. All this was seen only on radar and the pilots never did achieve visual contact and all the UFO performance was assessed through brief radar tracks. Note: I am pretty sure they weren’t locking on to each other if this was the maneuvers they were tracking as F-16s can't maneuver like that. One pilot said the objects couldn’t be seen as it was at 1:00am and they were likely too fast. One thing of note is that in all the UFO cases there are never sonic booms. This leads some skeptics to think radar is malfunctioning and pilots are just seeing starts, or window glare. It leads people like me to think they are really advanced craft using a propulsion tech that is somehow avoids creating sonic booms. Confusingly, while all this was happening the witnesses on the ground continued to report craft moving slowly through the sky in different formations. Full disclosure (no pun intended) there was a famous witness who took a blurry picture of a triangle craft with lights, who later came forward and showed it was a hoax).
Here’s one of my sources for this case: (reference) Belgian UFO Wave 1990: F-16s Chase Radar Ghosts
The last case I will mention is the 1968 Minot B-52 case. Minot base N.C. is a military base that at that time had nuclear capable B-52 and there were ICBMs as well. On Oct 24, 1968 ground security crews at Minot base reportedly, saw a large silently glowing craft. About 15 minutes later 14 members of missile maintenance and missile crews from five different angels all claimed to see a similar object. At about the same time ground radar detected an unidentified contact. A B-52 coming back from a training mission was vectored to the radar contact. The B-52’s airborne radar also detected the target (pictures of that in the sources). The crew later reported that the object made a rapid movement towards their B-52 covering 2.5 miles in roughly 3 seconds (est, 3000mph). Then the unknown object paced the B-52 for 20 miles, before it broke away from the B-52.. During this time the aircraft lost it’s ability to transmit to the ground crews on their radios, but could still receive as they approached the base. Shortly after ground radar was tracking seemingly the same object in the direction the B2 crew lost it on their radar. As they got closer the B-52 crew saw a glowing object hovering over the ground, roughly 200 feet in length by 100 feet wide and 50 feet in height. A moment later the glowing UFO rose quickly and disappeared into the sky. This duration of the case from the first report by minuteman personal to the final departure of the object was over 3 hours. I am going to attach a lot of sources for this that have interviews with the pilots, the ground crews, photos taken from inside the B-52 of their radar while tracking the object and much more. Later if was found that Minot weather radar also tracked the object. That's 16 witness on the ground. Multiple members of the B-52 crew, and 3 radars all saw combinations of something hovering over a nuclear base that was big and glowing, something moving an est 3000mph on radar, or something big and glowing shooting vertically into the sky.
Later Project Blue Book would suggest they were probably all just seeing a potential combo stars, ground lights, and/or ball lighting: sure. Remember Dr. J. Allen Hynek was an astrophysicists going in as a skeptic to work for Blue Book but later came out and said it was all whitewashing and became a believer himself.
Here’s a very quick retelling video: (not bad, very short)
The 1968 Minot AFB Encounter: A B-52 Crew's UAP Sighting
Here’s a simple summary of the case: (not that short, but a decent retelling)
Here’s a really long source for it. I am putting it as documentation, not because I think anyone is going to read a 97 page report. I skimmed it and looked at some of the footnotes: (really long, more for reference)
The Investigation of UFO Events at Minot Air Force Base, North Dakota
Here’s the Blue Book File: (shows how silly those guys were)
Here’s PDF files from 7 of the witnesses about their sightings with their names details of the sightings: (reference)
This sight is fun as it has a case score, a witness score, and an evidence score for this case. I just found this site and will for sure be coming back here: (cool site, but here’s it’s for reference)
Minot Air Force Base Incursion
Note: Eric, this site above has so much ranking that it sounds a lot like what I imagine you talked to Murry about. Of course their ranking is subjective, but it looks like a cool sight.
But wait, there’s more.
Interestingly 2 years earlier in 1966, 37 miles from the Minot ICBM base another ICBM base has reports based only on witness recollection that a UFO was hovering over the base and all 10 of the missiles went “off alert,” essentially shutting them down. Looking back now after a multiple witness, multiple radar sightings later, it’s easier to think those minutemen crew weren’t lying or deceived. This would be one of many times UFOs were seen near ICBM sights and in some instances seemingly being responsible for shutting them down. The same stories also come out of Russia as well.
Here’s a good article talking with the author of the book, UFOs and Nukes: (it’s short -this is pretty good and not too long)
Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes
Here’s emotional testimony of one of the primary witnesses, Cpt Schindele, with documents, about the 1966 event with the luminous UFO and the ICBMs turning off. He talks about the OSI (Office for Strategic Intelligence) telling his commander who told him never to discuss this incident. This guy writes a book years later in 2017 (the testimony is in 2010) called “It Never Happened.” I haven’t read it. But it’s of note, once again, that this stuff is well known in UFO circles, particularly the Malmstrom UFO incident. Here’s the video: (more for reference)
2010-09-27: Minot UFO Event Capt Schindele Testimony
Finally, I would encourage any of you to join me in writing to the President, Steven Miller, or your own Representatives, Senators, or whomever in supporting UFO/UAP disclosure. I just wrote the first two recently. It’s not the first time I’ve written to the White House (thought it is to Trump) or Congresspersons about this, just the latest. Here’s my letter to The President: (of course with Trump I appeal to his ego and legacy some).
Sam Kochel
4418 Dean Drive
Ventura, CA 93003
swkochel@yahoo.com
805-320-5610
September 12, 2026
The President
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Mr. President:
I want to thank you for your work toward UFO/UAP transparency. Your administration is, I believe, capable of doing things for truth and transparency on this issue no administration has dared to do before. I want you to know the public supports your effort.
I firmly believe that reality shouldn’t be classified and there should never be groups withholding whatever the ontological truth is from the citizens they're supposed to serve. Thank you again for your push toward disclosure. Please keep up the effort: history will never forget The President who brought us disclosure.
Sincerely,
Sam Kochel
That's all for now. Time for bed.
Sept, 6th, 2026
Hey everyone!
So, Phil put an article out for us to read and for my counterpoints, so I'll give it a go. The article is at the end of this email for anyone who hasn't read it yet. If anything I write is unclear, or you disagree, feel free to write back to all or just me. Also: here's a link the the article, but you have to register to the site (for free) to read it. So again at the end of this email I have it copied and pasted:
https://www.richardhanania.com/p/the-case-for-ufos-is-weaker-than
First, I will say I think it's a default position of many people to make assumptions that are inline with the current thinking of others from their station so-to-speak. In this case I get the impression the author, Richard Hanania, is a empirical-based western-educated intellectual type. And I seems to me that in recent history those from that space who want to stay in good standing mostly thumb their noses at UFO people as a default position without necessarily looking deeper at the evidence. I think there are these default positions that liberals, conservatives, and other groups have, and I am sure we can all think of some. It's a safe heuristic (mental shortcut) and it makes sense: no one has time to research everything and so we trust and align with the experts we look up to. After a while confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance make change even harder and none of us are immune, which is why I appreciate reading and thinking about articles like this every once in a while.
Moving on. I will. try to sum up some of his points here with my responses:
Early on he says "the evidence for UFOs remains...almost exactly what is was in the 1950s"
No. He's wrong. The amount of testimony and documentation, both leaked and put out, is enormously more than it was in the 1950s. The depth and scope of every element of the phenomenon has more to it. This early start shows he has spent little time researching the subject. It's like when Neil Degrasse Tyson says something to the effect of UFOs use to only be reported by backwoods folk and now we have qualified people going in front of Congress. That only shows Degrasse's ignorance of the subject, as it's been documented that high-level observers have been seeing anomalous stuff for a long time. However, it is a mystery, as Hanania points out, why we don't have better daytime sighting pictures despite the rise in cell phones and powerful cameras and that's one reason the subject is still where it is. There are a lot of thoughts on that issue. One thought on why we don't have better pictures is there actually are if you look for them (and I can point to to many websites and videos of those pictures), another is that the government takes the best pictures (there is a double meaning there), and another is that the NHI (non-human intelligence) know very well what we're capable of and are hiding from us or doing their own version of slow/soft disclosure. There are even some people who have said that their phone died or that they did took a picture, but it didn't come out. But many high-ranking whistleblowers have said that the pictures we're looking for do exist we just don't get to see them yet. More on those people in a bit.
Next, thing I want to address is that the author keeps shortchanging the whole story and is picking and choosing elements to fit his narrative that the case for UFOs is weaker than ever. For example he says that AI said there are no cases of UFOs defying the known laws of physics. I am not sure how that's interpreted, but what does he expect? What we do have are incidents of craft tracked by one of the most advanced radars in the world going from 80,000 to 20,000 feet in under a second without breaking to pieces after coming to a complete stop. We have craft with no visible flight surfaces or intakes or outlets flying at incredible speeds from a near standstill. All this has been on radar, and recorded by multiple systems and testified to by multiple operators and then seen by the pilots that were sent to look at them in person. This all happened with the Nimitz in 2004 (you can look it up, but I've covered it before). Similar stuff happened in Iran in 1976 (which maybe I'll write about sometime), and the amazing Belgian Wave in 89-90 just to name a few. Note in the Iranian incident one of two F4 Phantoms, tracking a target after ground radar routed them to intercept had his weapons systems die when he tried to fire. Here's a link to the incident, multiple radar tracks, multiple observers, etc...
1976 Tehran UFO incident - Wikipedia
Here's a simple example of type of events I was talking about in the paragraph above that was posted 1 month ago. I didn't share it as it honestly blends in with so many more like it now-a-days, if you just look, which I don't think the author cars to. It's a case of a Marine Fighter Pilot seeing a 737 sized object tracked by ATC (Air Traffic Control) hovering over Houston. There are so many more examples of pilots coming forward saying they saw something and that they had no-idea what it was, but they are really sure it wasn't a plane or helicopter, and it moved unlike anything they've ever seen anything made by humans move. If you want, watch the other videos on the Safe Aerospace Podcast as just a beginning into this type of reporting by very capable qualified people. One interview is of a former special operations guy talking about his team and him seeing a giant UFO hovering and then speeding away. Another really good video is the one of a 26 year veteran Air Traffic Controller talking about all the orbs pilots see flying in "impossible" ways just like the foo fighters from WW2 that were seen and confusing to both Axis and Allies at the time. (Phil, I think you'll really like this video). Note all the video interviews on Safe Aerospace Podcast are done by a former Navy F-18 pilot, Ryan Graves, who testified to Congress under oath about these things. Here's the video(s):
Marine Fighter Pilot Saw a 737-Sized Object Hovering Over Houston — ATC Tracked It | Ben Read
This video below is the one that I particularly think Phil and other pilots and technical people will really like, though they'll probably like both:
26-Year Air Traffic Controller Reveals What Radar Really Shows About UAP | Jason Judy x Ryan Graves
Next. The author talks about how some smart people take the UFO issue seriously and then mentions 3 economist and 1 journalist. What about multiple Ph.Ds from Harvard and Stanford, a Ph.D. oceanographer and Ret. Admiral, all the fighter pilots (who are a bunch of no-nonsense smart guys as well as trained observers), the astrophysicist who worked for Blue Book who later conceded it was a white-washing project and came out a believer, A nuclear physicist, the head of Harvard Psychiatry department (another skeptic who investigated and became a believer), and so so many more. And, except for the host of military pilots, I am only limiting this quick list to Ph.Ds in the sciences who I can think of off the top of my head. Do you guys remember all the heavy-hitters I mentioned that met in Washington for The Disclosure Project symposium (check UFOhorizons.com for a record of past emails if you want to review that list)? That's still only a handful.
Next, he mentions that there are a lot of things flying in the air and that a lot of things will get misidentified. Of course there are going to be things put into the UFO space that are prosaic, this is no surprise. I also agree with his claim that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." It's just that the author and I disagree on the quality and quantity of the evidence and I would also strongly argue he hasn't looked at very much of it very deeply. It's not just one sighting that is compelling. It's the multitude of remarkable sightings by many highly-educated, observers over a long-stretch of modern history reporting things in the air that defy anything even remotely close to what we see as natural or capable of being made by humans with some cases having radar contact and/or a variety of image capture(s). More that is then layered with multiple other people who have given eyewitness testimony that fit a larger pattern that can now be considered despite them not being as qualified, having no independent data from radar or other sources, and often being alone, like Phil on two occasions had sightings fitting clearly into a larger pattern that "more qualified" observes have reported on an even tracked with radar. The sightings are further layered, with multiple people in high-level positions speaking out and under oath about the knowledge of government programs ranging from observation and studies to retrieval of crashed craft and recovery of bodies. With another layer of reports, documents, and witness of specific crashes: such as Roswell, Varginha, Aztec, etc.. And finally, there are the experiencers who say they've encountered the beings in person at landings, crashes or during abductions, some of which are medical doctors, scientists, special forces, and so on. And while all these layers and the evidence for each specific case are not equal they create a tapestry that is impossible to ignore. We must ask are all these people part of some mass delusion or a giant conspiracy to trick us all? Are all the people who dig deep and become believers involved in some type of mental indoctrination or cognitive-dissonance? People like David Jacobs, who has a Ph.D in intellectual history, or John Mack, Ph.D in Psychiatry, or Dr. of Theology, Diana Paulka, and many others, who all decided to study these "UFO people" and their claims, and became believers themselves are not fools. There is a there there, and many of us are trying to figure it out, and I think we're making some progress. Whatever it is, it's not human, it's intelligent, and some people know more than the rest of us. I think we've gotten that far at least.
Now, of course people that look can fool themselves out of desire and confirmation bias and so on, but so can the author of the article. So we must look at evidence (and I do count multitudes of expert eyewitness testimony as evidence, especially when there is much that's collaborated with radar, FLIR (Forward-Looking Infrared), multiple observers and so on).
With that in mind, the author talks about "two videos from US military jets that "'appeared' to show unknown objects behaving strangely in the air." This type of statement and the wording "appeared" is where his bias shows. The videos did show unknown objects behaving strangely in the air, not "appearing" to. Even if they were balloons (they were almost certainly not) they were unknown to the pilots. And if you listen to the pilots they are amazed and kind of freaked-out not knowing what they were looking at. I'll post the video which is 1min and HIGHLY SUGGEST you watch it. Notice at the beginning a pilot says "there's a whole fleet of them" and soon after says "They are all going against the wind." They. What could these be, all going against the wind and tripping out at least two pilots who saw them on radar and on FLIR. Interestingly the UFO was turning on it's side just like some UFO whistleblowers and researchers have said they do sometimes when they want to fly really fast. Here's the video: (note there are 3 separate videos in this one short video. I am talking about the 1st one, but the second one is of a "lock on" by the 3rd and 4th pilot of the "tic tac" incident. An incident made famous by the testimony of Cmdr. David Fravor of the Black Aces, and his wingperson Lt. Alex Dietrich who along with multiple radars and operators, most all who have come forward, saying what they saw was probably off-world. Again, watch the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auITEKd4sjA
The author mentions Mick West. West does work to debunk some things that probably could use some debunking, like chemtrails, 9/11 truthers who claim it was in inside job and so on. I think he thought UFOs were part of that sphere and bit off more than he could chew. He comes off as mostly a contrarian troll who cherry picks the best cases to debunk (and admittedly there are some). But sometimes I think he shows that his commitment is to debunking at all costs. He thinks the first video, the "Gimbal" UFO from above link could be outlined by "thermal inversion" and the rotation could be because the FLIR pod is rotating, but the F-18 pilots didn't realize that. Sure, o.k., so what? With the "Gimbal" video, there was a radar track of multiple objects leading to an intercept and a FLIR video both collaborated by the pilots remarks: "look at the SA" and "oh my gosh" and "there's a whole fleet of them" and "they're going against the wind." If this was a one time event, where highly-trained Naval aviators (more than one ) saw a UFO on multiple sensors, and the naked eye on many occasions, it might be something to brush off, but there are many accounts with overlapping similarities. Mick West, I would also argue, seems to think he has a good bead on things while all these intelligence officers and pilots are simply mistaken and bewildered in all these similar sightings over the years. In any case here's West's accounting of the Gimbal video if you'd like to read it:
https://archive.skeptic.com/archive/reading_room/gimbal-video-genuine-ufo-or-camera-artifact/
Finally, West, I think, will be one of those people who, when (if) disclosure happens, will claim there was no good evidence for belief before and cling to that "fact" to excuse his disbelief, when in fact that there was indeed plenty of evidence for those interested in looking.
Moving on.The author says "The truly remarkable claims -think accounts of alien abductions, or the government dissecting extraterrestrials-come from the least credible people." I could make a pretty big list of Ph.D scientists from psychiatry to astrophysics along with career intelligence officers and former special operations solders, all with unblemished records who have made the claims of recovered craft and bodies and/or meeting aliens and/or abduction type experiences. This is one more example of the ignorant things he says throughout the article.
The author says he watched "The Age of Disclosure" and said the "the more famous individuals were always cautious (with their claims)." I am not sure what he's getting at exactly, but maybe it's Marco Rubio who is a major player in politics and policy right now and was pretty reserved in his interview in the film compared to past statements he's made (perhaps to protect his office and his standing). However, in 2020 Rubio said in an interview, "I don't know what these are, but extraterrestrial origin is within the range of possibilities I am willing to discuss seriously." He also discusses that there are things flying over our bases and we don't know what they are. I do expect the "famous" politicians to be more "safe" when they speak which is why it's amazing to hear more and more come out and say there's something they've seen in secret meetings, that they can't talk about it yet.
The next two videos are of congressmen talking about UFOs/UAP. The first video is Rep. Tim Burchett saying what he's seen concerning UFOs in secure briefings would make American come unglued, and the other video is Rep. Burlison saying they've now summoned Orbs (something others saying is happening now too), and that many in Congress are asking for the briefing on that. There's there's more in each of these videos, and there's even more people in and from Washington talking about stuff like this but I thought I'd drop in these two here. (note to the author of the article: this kind of stuff never use to happen):
‘You’d be up at night’: Congressman says UFO briefings could alarm public | ChicagoNOW
Burlison says Summoning orbs has changed the conversation. Briefs are being requested!
None of this sounds like "they found nothing" when people looked at the claims of whistleblowers. It's just classified. But, there are lots of leaks, that's why we know this stuff. That's why there's all the books and hearings.
Moving on...
The author says he turned "The Age of Disclosure" off when it said they were coming from the ocean. I can see how that's just too much for him to take in. He's not even ready to accept which you might call "stage 1." It can be a long road. However, The Navy's once chief oceanographer, a Ph.D in oceanography, Ret. Admiral Timothy Gallaudet said they have proof of contact with USOs (unidentified submerged objects) and relates multiple instances of sonar contacts with unknowns traveling at speeds and in ways that together don't match any known tech. There have been plenty of witnesses, and some whistleblowers also (including David Grush), who have seen, and in the later case, come forward about USOs. Interestingly, a chunk of the UFO community thinks that the oceans are kind of where it's at with UFOs as there are more sightings per person at sea and many people have seen them come in and out of the water. There are also people who have come forward saying the NHI have something like forward operation centers under parts of the ocean. Here's a video by Admiral Gallaudet who testified under oath to Congress talking about how they track them quite a bit underwater. It's long, but for those who want a little more about USOs, which I normally don't go on and on about:
Top Navy Oceanographer Reveals Irrefutable Proof of UFOs in the Oceans | Tim Gallaudet
Here's another list of USO list of sightings. Interestingly the area around Catalina seems to be a hotspot for UFOs, at least that's what I read and hear.
More, maybe the most beloved UFO researcher, for his professionalism, is Richard Dolan, who is writing a trilogy of books about USOs. Also, before I move on here's some Navy footage it's cool:
2019 the US Navy filmed “SPHERICAL” shaped UFOs going into the water; here is that footage
I'll stop with the USO stuff here. I so get that the author turned it off as it was too much to take in. I do think a lot of this stuff is too much to process at once. It's like realizing animals have some type of level of self-awareness, or learning that the earth isn't at the center of the universe and just as your getting that you learn it's not even the center of the solar system and then that the sun is just another star. It's like learning about the evolution of the species, that there are atoms and later that there are even smaller things, that spacetime is curved, time isn't fixed, quantum entanglement exists...just weird stuff. It's hard for many to accept or you have to accept it in stages. He's clearly not there with UFOs.
Moving on again. He did mention Vance and Obama, and I am going to skip Vance for now. Obama did say there is stuff flying around and that we don't know what they are, how they move, etc... I think this is pretty amazing and helps clear away the "it's drones" argument.
Obama says UFO sightings are real
More recently he said aliens are real, and Trump, when told about is said (maybe too quickly...?) that Obama "gave classified information." Now I don't believe much Trump says, but that's interesting. Furthermore, The Obama's production company, Higher Ground Products, is developing a film about the Betty and Barney Hill abduction from 1961. None of that means a lot, but it's interesting. My honest guess is Obama either knows something or suspects something.
I want to circle back to the idea that these things are not drones. 1: the flight characteristics and the forces often are way beyond what our current tech can do and can stand up to. No college or military group has developed anything close that we know of that can perform as these objects sometimes do. Second, these things have been seen since at least WW2 and did the same stuff. There's almost certainly no way we had drones that could fly at speeds over Mach 20 pulling hundereds to a thousand of Gs doing instant right angle turns and 180s on a dime and coming in and out of the water, before radar or even wide adoption of jet propulsion. We can't even come close to that now.
Phil highlighted the author saying "It's an interesting question why smart people have fallen for this." I would turn it on it's head and say it interesting how more smart people aren't interested in this and how that speaks to the human need for ontological security and the safety of group-think. Nevertheless, many smart people just don't have good exposure yet. Who knows what I would think about all this if it wasn't for my college teacher who mentioned UFOs and underground bases passingly in class and my curiosity to follow up later and incredulously ask and for some type of source.
I will finish with I think there are even layers of ontological shock within the UFO community itself. People can become interested in the subject and accept some of the evidence while still reaching a point where they simply don't want to follow the implications any further. You can give a person "UFOs and Nukes," "Above Top Secret," or other well-researched material documenting military and pilot encounters, and it may take a while for them to accept that the information is even plausible. Then, if they eventually accept the possibility that some unexplainable objects are operating in our skies they may still reject claims about non-human intelligence. If they eventually consider NHI plausible, they may still reject claims about recovered craft, crash-retrieval programs, or other much more extraordinary claims. Each step requires incorporating something new into an existing worldview, and at some point it can simply become easier to stop thinking about the subject than to keep revising that worldview or at least wait for the security of others to catch up. However, the further you move from the basic observation to increasingly elaborate explanations, the more important it becomes to distinguish between what is actually established and what is inferred. So eventually it's not just about empirical evidence (e.g. sightings and videos). I think it starts to be more about what is good evidence? What does the evidence actually establish vs. suggest? How good are the sources? Like I said earlier, right now I think we have established that there's something here that's non-human and intelligent and certain people know a lot more than us...after that it's best guesses.
and I was going to be done....
Then, then...just as I thought I was going to have my work cut out for me with one article....
Phil sent everyone another article that he wanted my response to. No problem! This link to the article works well so here it is:
The author is an economist named Robin Hanson who I've listened to on YouTube more than a few times. He's said some good stuff and some stuff I think is overreaching, over anthropomorphized, under-researched, and shows a lack of vision. By the way Hanson came up with the idea of "The Great Filter" which I think is a really helpful thinking tool and also "grabby aliens," (with some collaborators), which people talk about in the UFO space, but not as much as The Great Filter.
I read the article twice, but I decided to let chat sum it's main premise here in bold and red for anyone who doesn't want to read it:
If governments really have strong evidence of non-human technology, the usual explanations for keeping it secret don't make much sense. They could disclose the evidence while protecting sensitive technology, decades of secrecy hasn't apparently produced major technological breakthroughs, and the public is probably capable of handling the truth. Therefore, long-term government concealment is itself somewhat implausible.
Now I'll put the article in a point by point format and write my counter point after each point for ease of navigation for me and the reader. I changed the format of Chat's answer as it kept making automatic numbered lists. I'll put Chat's summation of his article in bold and my answers in non-bold. Hanson's main arguments, according to ChatGPT are (note if you think Chat may have hallucinated or otherwise got this wrong, please read the article. If you think I hallucinated or otherwise mess up, please tell me):
1. The UFO hypothesis is plausible.
Some UFOs might be caused by extremely advanced, possibly alien technology, and it's conceivable that governments have evidence of this going back decades.
No argument from me here. I would just say it's highly probable that elements within the government(s) have evidence going back decades.
2. But government incompetence makes long-term secrecy less plausible.
Governments are bad at coordination. If one agency discovered something extraordinary 80 years ago, it's quite possible the information was poorly preserved, compartmentalized, or simply lost. And despite decades of supposed revelations, there hasn't been much evidence that a major disclosure is actually imminent.
The government hid The Manhattan Project (which included multiple compartmentalized sites and even building a whole town), which many have said the UFO cover-up rivals or even supersedes in secrecy. The government hid stealth & F-117s for years, they hid MKUltra mind control stuff for 20 years, and the NSA for decades and decades as well as other programs with minimal leakage, some for years and some for decades (projects VENONA: cryptology, CORONA: recon satellites, etc...). So while it is true disclosure hasn't happened yet, to say government can't hide stuff is inaccurate. But there will be leaks, and UFOs there have been: books, whistleblowers, leaked documents, witnesses and so on. Sometimes people wonder why pictures or materials haven't come out. I don't think it's that possible to get physical evidence out of these sites. No phones, no cameras, no internet, as well as security scanners, cameras, and probably stuff I don't know about and the threat of prison or worse if you even try to get stuff out. The rumor is that the vetting process is insanely strict and they preference people they can trust over expertise.
Next, to say disclosure doesn't seem to be imminent depends on what you mean by "seems imminent." Congressional hearings, more whistleblowers coming out, the White House releasing files, and so on. Most UFO researchers think this is the closest we've ever been to something official being announced. While it is likely some information was lost or compartmentalized to an extent that it might as well be lost, that is different than saying there never was anything there to begin with. Finally, some researchers think that there are probably multiple programs, all secret, dealing with this in different ways and with different agendas, and not necessarily talking to each other, sharing with each other, or even always knowing about each other.
3. The standard explanation for secrecy doesn't make much sense.
The usual argument is that governments kept UFO evidence secret because they wanted to reverse-engineer the technology. The author thinks that's weak because governments could theoretically say:
“We have evidence of these objects, but we're keeping the technological details classified.”In other words, you can disclose the existence of a phenomenon without disclosing how its technology works.
Why NHI presence is secret has a lot of theories. No matter how absurd you think the theories or reasons are, none of that discounts the evidence that they are here, nor the idea that elements within the government know. I will talk about some of those things at the end of this. But one idea is that it's a secret shared by many nations in a race to reverse engineer the craft to have global dominance for the foreseeable future. To keep it secret is to control the tech and to keep knowledge away from civilians so not only can you operate the tech, but you can do it in secret. This would be impossible to do in a democracy once word of aliens got out. Sure, it's unethical, but it would be far from the first time the military intelligence complex did unethical things behind the backs of elected officials and the population. Again, I'll talk more about these theories about why it may be secret in a bit.
4. The lack of technological progress is an even bigger problem.
Multiple countries have supposedly encountered these objects, yet apparently none have gained substantial useful technology from them. If governments have been hiding UFO evidence for 80 years in hopes of exploiting advanced technology, where are the results?
No results could mean there are results you just don't know of, or that there are indeed no results. Neither situation invalidates the evidence pointing to the phenomenon being real. It could be the technology is so advanced that we can't understand how to do anything with it. Imagine if the ancient Mongolians got access to a car. Even if they could understand what it's purpose was and learn to turn it on and operate it, they could never fuel it, maintain it, or replicate it beyond very crude cosmetic reproductions. However, some people think we have replicated the craft and have ARVs (Alien Reproduction Vehicles). Some people think there is something called the TR-3B Blank Manta that is a human based, alien tech derived vehicle that is a big silent flying black triangle using anti-gravity. Here's a fun article by a Dr. in Aerospace Engineering and private pilot writing in "Aerospace Global News" about the multitude of sightings of black triangles and the connection with the TR-3B:(recommended but not necessary reading)
TR-3B Black Manta: The secret US anti-gravity aircraft
5. Governments should trade some security for public benefits.
The author argues that governments already make tradeoffs between security and other societal goals. Citizens don't give the military and intelligence agencies unlimited resources; therefore, security isn't considered infinitely valuable.
If disclosure could produce enormous benefits for science, technology, culture, etc., while sacrificing only a modest amount of security, a rational government should eventually make that trade.
We don't know if it's sacrificing a "modest amount" of security from our outsider limited knowledge. Also, sacrificing security for who: the keepers of the secrets who are now going to jail, the people in government we no longer trust? (more on that in a bit) Nor do we know that disclosure could produce enormous benefits for science, tech, culture, etc... in the eyes of the keepers of disclosure.
6. Therefore, if “we're keeping it secret to study the technology” is really the reason, that's a huge institutional failure.
"After decades of supposedly possessing this information, governments should have either learned something valuable or disclosed the evidence. If they've done neither, the secrecy rationale looks increasingly bad."
First, maybe it is an institutional failure, but those happen all the time. I don't know that it is and I think they should disclose no matter if they've learned stuff or not. I believe the nature of reality shouldn't be classified. But I also don't have the whole story and perhaps if I knew the whole story I wouldn't be pro-disclosure? Maybe the government has learned something valuable, just not something they want to share (for good or bad reasons). Or maybe they're sharing it slowly with a soft disclosure? Maybe we want to keep the technology secret because stuff we have learned would break the world order? Imagine if tech leaked out that would allow bad actors to build some type of craft that could instantly fly to 10,000 mph after levitating out of a small bunker, stop on a dime, deliver a payload, and leave at the same speed. Or what if some type of power could be harnessed that would allow rogue states or even non-state actors with nothing to lose to relatively easily build smallish bombs that would rival our atomic bombs? Some people think it's going to be some "zero-point" energy that will upend the whole global fossil fuel based economy (that sounds like a long-term win). It could easily be some type of other tech or knowledge that we can't even really imagine any more than a ancient Egyptian could imagine a reconnaissance satellite or radar.
Maybe they learned something about the nature of the NHI that would destroy their ability to keep order, keep people safe, or something along those lines. I'll talk about this below.
7. He rejects the “protect people from ontological shock” argument.
Some people argue that governments hide alien evidence because ordinary people couldn't psychologically handle it. The author thinks that's basically nonsense. He believes most people could adapt to the revelation fairly quickly. And if discovering an uncomfortable truth causes some people's social status to decline, that's not a legitimate reason to conceal the truth.
I've addressed this before but I'll go over it again to some extent and finish with some thoughts. I think that the ontological shock is going to be massive and many people will freak out. I believe people will start hording and stop going out and cut spending. Businesses that rely on this will lose jobs and effect will ripple throughout the economy. I've mentioned COVID before as an example. It is irrational to horde toilet paper for a disease that has nothing to do with going potty a lot. Nevertheless, sensible people started buying up all they could too when they could find it because a critical mass of others started hording it. It's not going to take that many people to cause economic disruption. Outside the economic failings there will be religious cults and breakaway groups of all sorts as a variety of information is put out there or uncovered from various sources and no one is certain what's the truth when it comes to their safety from the "aliens," the government, or each other. We already have stuff like that, think how much worse it could be. 9/11 truthers, COVID conspiracy people, Sovereign Citizens, The Satanic Panic, The Red Scare, AntiVaxers, Which Hunts, Obama Birtherism, Japanese-American Internment, Gay Panic, etc. Fearful people who don't have clear answers are capable of crazy stuff and beliefs. Even Economic Bubbles like the Tulip Mania and NFTs and probably others to some extent are examples or basic irrationality. I think it's easy to believe, when you're a pretty rational person, that we'll be o.k. and you might be, until the other people start flipping out. People are anxious and fearful and many will irrationally act-out or shut down. I do think we'll recover, but maybe the keepers of the secrets aren't ready for all that, or know even crazier stuff?
But then there's government angle. How are we to trust the government now, or anything they say? The splinter groups, the riots, more Jan 6th type stuff on a larger scale?. The keepers of the secrets could have their jobs and lives at stake after it's reveled what they've done, maybe elements within the government and military industrial complex at large? Many people already think they don't want disclosure for the crimes they've committed by lying to Congress, diverting funds, and even extra-judicial actions against people. That could even be the only reason they're holding back, and it would make sense. Those people are going to jail without amnesty. Even normal politicians who had little or nothing to do with the cover-up might be on the hook. Politicians like being in power, like being rich and not in jail and not dead.
But the really big question that Robin Hansen certainly can't answer is: what are the NHI up to? We know they're here, that some or all of them show a particular interest in our nuclear capabilities, that there have been incursions over bases, and that they've disrupted the training of our military aircraft on many occasions, and have intruded into active war zones. Furthermore, it might very well be true that they've interfaced with certain people and that abductions are a real and terrifying experience some have gone through: taking people out of the houses and cars to perform medical-like procedures on them. It's hard to believe that stuff, that's why (again) Dr. John Mack, head of The Harvard Psychiatry Department and Pulitzer Prize winner wanted to evaluate what's wrong with these people to claim such things. After meeting many of them and working with them, he became a believer. It's why Dr. David Jacobs who researched UFO communities from an academic and cultural perspective of "what's going on with all these people" eventually believed as well in abductions as well. The NHI also might upend many religious ideas, maybe even ideas about evolution? How many people will think they are angels themselves or, more likely, demons from the end times. I myself am not certain that they are malevolent. I think they probably aren't. They haven't killed people that I know of and they haven't destroyed or taken over (though maybe it's a slow take over?). Perhaps they are here to help us "evolve" or watch over how we treat the planet and ourselves. Perhaps there is a group of human alien hybrids waiting to join us on earth to make it a better place? Perhaps different ones are here for different reasons that don't always align? perhaps it's all just research and they know if the subjects are aware of the researchers it's alters the data (The Hawthrone Effect). Perhaps their motives and reasons are so alien to us we couldn't even begin to understand. What I do know if that a lot of you have heard this stuff before from me and I covered it already in another email (which I do archive on UFOhorizons.com). So I'll move on.
In conclusion. We just don't know why there hasn't been disclosure. But not knowing why isn't the same as there isn't anything to disclose. An example from the physical sciences is plate tectonics. Here's a quote from Wikipedia concerning what I am getting at:
"Wegener's work was initially not widely accepted, in part due to a lack of detailed evidence but mostly because of the lack of a reasonable physically supported mechanism. Earth might have a solid crust and mantle and a liquid core, but there seemed to be no way that portions of the crust could move around. Many distinguished scientists of the time, such as Harold Jeffreys and Charles Schuchert, were outspoken critics of continental drift."
The point is that sometimes people think, because they don't understand why the government would keep it secret, it couldn't be real. There are many things that we know are real but we don't know why or how. All those arguments like "how could they get here?" "why would they come here?" and "why would the government keep it secret?" are interesting questions and many smart people have spent a lot of time trying to figure that stuff out. But not knowing doesn't change the multitudes of sightings by trained observers, testimony by whistleblowers, released documents and so on... And there are plenty of examples that are sociological, where the data and outcome is known, but smart people are left trying to figure out the answer to why it happened: The Witch Trials, Jonestown, Nazi Germany, The Tanganyika laughter epidemic, even the first and second election of Trump left many smart people stumped.
I don't know why I like this example so much but I keep coming back to it in my head. Maybe it's a disservice to share it as it is kind of silly, nor is it a perfect metaphor, but to me it gets to a point. I imagine that if someone saw a crocodile in their backyard hiding in the bushes and told people in their house there's a crocodile in the backyard. And the people wouldn't really look because it didn't make sense to them and said things like, "why would a crocodile be in your backyard?" "how could a crocodile even get into your backyard?" and they don't even really look. It simply doesn't change that fact that there is indeed a crocodile. Again it's like people saying "why would they cross space to visit us," "why wouldn't they announce themselves," "why would the government keep it a secret?" and so on. Not knowing is those answers doesn't invalidate the observations, testimony or documents, but it sure gives me a lot to think about, and I hope some of you can continue to help me this this.
Of course we're all waiting for hard physical evidence (as well as official disclosure) and it's still an interesting mystery why there isn't any. Does NHI know not to leave it, does the government recover it, sometimes by force (plenty of people have testified to this), and so on.
I am going to stop here. I hope you all made it this far and as I said earlier I am will happily answer follow up questions. My next email will probably be more "out there" as I plan to dive into the 4 different species that some people claim have visited us (though some say there are many more-crazy stuff), unless something pops up that is more in need of attention.
Much care,
Sam
p.s. Supposedly a new tranche (the 6th) will be coming soon. We'll see, I wouldn't be surprised.
p.p.s. The author of the first article, Richard Haninia, has a very sorted past. I bring it up because it's really something. But, I bring it up only at the end because I didn't want my comments to be seen as ad hominem, that's unfair and irrelevant to the arguments. He's since apologized and condemned his past stances which were highly racist and eugenics based though some critics think he hasn't totally left that stuff behind.His Wikipedia page is worth a quick read, but there's quite a bit out there about him.
Here's first article Phil sent.
On Thursday, September 3, 2026 at 02:59:59 PM PDT, Phil Mueller <fillmueller@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a recent piece from a writer I like absolutely trashing the idea that aliens are real. Would love Sam's counterpoints. It is at this link and pasted below:
The Case for UFOs Is Weaker Than Ever
Here is a notable, and harsh, segment from the essay:
The aliens haven’t arrived. Our epistemology has just gotten worse.
It’s also an interesting question why smart people have fallen for this. I think it is a good example of how living in a populist era means that even the best minds are going to occasionally be convinced by nonsense. A sophisticated observer might see a NYT report and a congressional hearing, and think that these are signs that a narrative has credibility, without updating to take into account the fact that Congress now includes figures like Nancy Mace and Anna Paulina Luna, who are no more trustworthy than the worst social media scammers. We’re also all constantly picking up lower-quality data like chatter from social media and fragments from podcast interviews, adding to the general sense that there must be something going on here. It’s hard to stay smart in an era that is so stupid!
The aliens haven’t arrived. Our epistemology has just gotten worse.
The aliens haven’t arrived. Our epistemology has just gotten worse.
Sep 1
In 1958, Carl Jung published Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies. He noted at the time that there were a lot of firsthand accounts of individuals seeing alleged alien spacecraft. Yet strangely, testimony was the only evidence we had. Jung wondered: “Considering the notorious camera-mindedness of Americans, it is surprising how few ‘authentic’ photos of UFOs seem to exist.”
That was 68 years ago. Jung was looking around and saying, “Gee, there are so many cameras in the world! Americans really love taking pictures. And not a single good one of a UFO? Really?”
If he could only see us today! In the decades since, billions of people have gotten access to smartphones in their pockets, ready to snap a picture or take a video of anything in the sky that looks anomalous at a moment’s notice. They bring these devices with them when they’re going to work, shopping, and flying on airplanes. The abilities of governments and private entities to monitor the sky have also grown exponentially, in terms of everything from military and civilian radar networks to weather satellites, commercial Earth-observation satellites, astronomical telescopes, air-traffic-control systems, and the sensors and tracking equipment carried by modern aircraft themselves.
And yet, remarkably, the evidence for UFOs remains… almost exactly what it was in the 1950s. Firsthand testimony, with very little else. The number of cameras in the world and their quality are constantly increasing, and yet the quality of UFO documentation remains the same. Elon Musk had it right in 2021.
Strongest argument against aliens
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To say there are reasons to believe in aliens based on what people have claimed they have seen would also force one to accept credible evidence for mind reading and ghosts.
You’ll often hear that UAPs – to use the modern terminology – have been identified by radar or other forms of detection technology. There’s less here than meets the eye. Sometimes, a sensor will pick up an object, but it will be found to have behaved unremarkably, refuting the claims of witnesses. In other cases, there are explanations for what happened in terms of equipment malfunctioning. I asked ChatGPT and Claude: “Is there a single confirmed case of a UAP defying the known laws of physics that is supported by detection technology like radar and does not ultimately rely on eyewitness testimony?” Both said no.
Despite all this, smart people now take the aliens hypothesis seriously. Ross Douthat, Robin Hanson, and Tyler Cowen are at least UAP-curious, while Ezra Klein says he feels that “there is something interesting here.” This makes the UAP issue different from most topics that excite listeners of the Joe Rogan Experience like vaccine denial and lost civilizations, in that some intelligent observers think that claims of alien visitors have credibility. They’re wrong; believers in alien aircraft have not presented enough evidence for us to even be at the point where one could say “we should be having this conversation.” We’re still at the level where we can simply dismiss UAP activism as a form of pseudoscience.
Sure, not every UAP sighting can easily be explained away. But think about what we’re talking about here. The sky is vast. It’s filled with planes, birds, balloons, helicopters, stars, space debris, the moon, other planets, and now drones. The sky is where you find the sun – an object famous for creating optical illusions. The UAP sightings that get the most attention come from individuals traveling through the air at unnaturally high speeds. With so many people peering out over such vast distances, often moving rapidly through the air, and with so many objects flying or floating around, it would be shocking if we didn’t hear reports of phenomena that appear bizarre.
There are perhaps 430 billion wild birds in the world. Each day across the planet, 100,000 airplane flights take off and land, and 1,800 weather balloons are launched. In the United States, there are close to 3 million registered drones, and there are tens of thousands of man-made objects orbiting the Earth. Are we really supposed to be surprised when the military reports a few hundred times a year that service members see objects that can’t be identified? Wouldn’t you expect that, in the glare of the sun and in unusual atmospheric conditions, a few birds or satellites would occasionally appear to be behaving strangely when you’re looking at them from far away? How would this not be the case?
As Adam Kirsch writes in We Want to Believe: How Aliens Went Mainstream and Why It Matters, the UFO debate goes through recurring cycles. The media reports anecdotal accounts of strange objects in the air. Attention being drawn to the topic increases the number of sightings. The government investigates what is going on, and finds that there is no evidence for anything unnatural or extraterrestrial life. The alien-believing community continues sharing stories with each other and never producing any real evidence to back up their claims, until the whole process begins again.
In 1966, the Air Force commissioned a team of scientists at the University of Colorado to conduct an independent study of the UFO phenomenon. The resulting Condon Report, published in 1969, concluded that “nothing has come from the study of UFOs in the past twenty-one years that has added to scientific knowledge.” Later that year, the Air Force shut down Project Blue Book, which over its history had collected 12,618 reported sightings, 701 of which remained unidentified.
The current UFO craze began in December 2017, when The New York Times published a story on the Pentagon having had a $22 million program for studying UAPs from 2007 to 2012. The article was given additional credibility by the release of two videos from US military jets that appeared to show unknown objects behaving strangely in the air.
Ordered by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in response to the 2017 revelations, a 2021 preliminary intelligence assessment reviewed 144 UAP reports, mostly from military aviators. Investigators were able to resolve only one case with high confidence, identifying it as a deflating balloon; the other 143 remained unexplained because the available information was insufficient: “The limited amount of high-quality reporting on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) hampers our ability to draw firm conclusions about the nature or intent of UAP.” The report goes on to say that “In a limited number of incidents, UAP reportedly appeared to exhibit unusual flight characteristics. These observations could be the result of sensor errors, spoofing, or observer misperception and require additional rigorous analysis.” It then suggested that resolved cases were likely to fall into categories such as balloons and other airborne clutter, atmospheric effects, American or foreign technology, or an unspecified “other” category.
Nothing in the report established extraterrestrial technology, or even the idea that the kinds of events showing apparent violations of the known laws of physics are anything but extremely rare. The authors note that sensors on US military platforms are designed for specific missions related to combat; they are not designed to pick up whatever UAPs are – or accurately perceive the movements of birds and weather balloons at great distances – so could naturally work imperfectly or malfunction when not used for their stated purposes.
While getting a tiny fraction of the attention of UFO-enthusiasts, a video game designer named Mick West has been doing the work of debunking individual stories. In one widely publicized 2014 case, a Chilean Navy helicopter recorded an apparently strange object emitting what looked like a plume. Later, West and colleagues used flight and radar data to identify it as Iberia flight 6830, with infrared glare from its engines obscuring the airplane’s normal shape and its contrails producing the apparent plume. West has proposed similar conventional explanations for the famous Navy videos covered in the NYT. For example, he shows that the 2004 “Tic Tac” footage may simply show a distant object whose apparent rapid movement is the result of the camera losing track of it and changing zoom.
The All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) of the Department of War keeps a running dashboard of resolved UAP sightings. As of this writing, this entity has settled 941 cases from January 1, 1996 to August 15, 2026. Eighty-six percent were either satellites or balloons.
AARO resolved UAP sightings from January 1, 1996 - August 15, 2026
AARO doesn’t give a cumulative number of still open cases, or those with insufficient data to determine what was seen. But we do know that the government reports no positive evidence for alien aircraft or technology that violates the known laws of physics, and it’s simply absurd to jump to the conclusion that, because some sightings remain unexplained, this must mean aliens have visited us.
Imagine if we did this in other areas of life. I walk around keeping track of all noises I’ve ever heard that can’t be explained, and then decide it is a serious scientific hypothesis to suggest that they were all demons trying to make contact with me. Sure, I can’t rule that out in every single case, but this would be a ridiculous conclusion to draw. Of course, it might be a reasonable hypothesis if the noises clearly sounded like a voice saying “I am a demon watching you.” But the UAP sightings are never that unambiguous. The truly remarkable claims – think accounts of alien abduction or the government dissecting extraterrestrials – come from the least credible people, while individuals who are more credible generally report things like “I saw this blurry thing that was shaped like a tic tac and appeared to go really fast.” This is exactly what you would expect if the whole phenomenon were fake and we weren’t actually being visited by aliens.
I noticed something similar while watching the documentary The Age of Disclosure, on Tyler’s recommendation. The film was given credibility by its producer landing interviews with prominent figures like James Clapper, Marco Rubio, and Kirsten Gillibrand. But the more famous individuals were always cautious, stressing what we didn’t know and expressing concerns about national security. The people making the truly jaw-dropping claims were individuals who were long-time advocates for the idea that aliens have visited us, and who blame conspiracies for them not being able to get at and reveal the truth about what the government knows. They complain that their superiors don’t take them seriously, concluding they must be hiding something, instead of stopping to consider that maybe top government officials understand that no convincing evidence has been found for extraterrestrial life having visited earth, and to behave otherwise is to pointlessly squander government resources.
To give you an idea of how out of their minds the most famous UAP advocates are, at about forty minutes in, the documentary has them speculating that perhaps unknown life forms are not coming from outer space but the bottom of the ocean. At that point I stopped watching.
Each year AARO puts out a new report, and every year the same result is confirmed. A lot of new sightings, conclusive evidence that many of them are natural phenomena, some that are left unexplained, and basically nothing to suggest aliens.
As for the secret Pentagon program to investigate UAPs reported on in the NYT, its existence can be credited to a network of cranks who were able to funnel money to the company of one alien-obsessed businessman named Robert Bigelow, who is also interested in paranormal phenomena and had ties to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Whenever more serious people in the government have looked into their claims, they have found nothing there, and when they’ve been put under oath, the UFO-believers suddenly become a lot more careful about what they’ve seen or heard.
One of the more amusing portions of Kirsch’s book is when he recounts what happened when the crank network went before Congress in 2023.
For all the attention the witnesses received, they didn’t present any evidence that met the Sagan standard. They, too, were simply telling stories—and not always their own stories. When Grusch was asked about his claims that the US government is hiding the bodies of extraterrestrials, he demurred, “That is something I have not witnessed myself.” Graves testified that in 2003, Boeing contractors at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California saw a very large red square “approach the base from the ocean and hover at low altitude over one of the launch facilities.” But when Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York asked him to expand on the incident, Graves replied, “The information about the contractors themselves were provided by a witness and I have no particular detail in that relationship.”
The committee members seemed more prepared to believe the witnesses’ claims that the US government, or people working inside it, were conspiring to conceal the truth about UAPs. Representative Anna Paulina Luna of Florida thanked Grusch for “coming forward in fear of his life.” Grusch suggested that he had evidence to back up his claims about secret government programs and was aware of planned reprisals against himself and others, but was legally prohibited from discussing classified details publicly. “I can provide more details in a closed environment,” he offered, and Representative Nancy Mace of South Carolina suggested that “maybe we get into a SCIF at the next hearing that we have.” A SCIF is a “Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility,” a military term for a room cleared of recording and transmitting devices, where secrets can be safely shared—provided, of course, that Grusch did possess such secrets.
This is all very familiar to anyone who pays attention to conspiracy theorist podcasters: large, sweeping claims that fall apart when you press for details, alongside hints that the person spreading the conspiracy theory is bravely risking his life by publicly defying shadowy forces. As with the Dominion lawsuit and the career of Kash Patel, conspiracy theorists tend to be a lot less measured on podcasts and social media than they are when speaking in forums with actual consequences for lying, like legal proceedings and congressional hearings.
Before coming into office, Vance promised low-information Trump voters that the new administration would get to the bottom of the UAP issue. It took power, and the serious bureaucrats in government kept releasing the same types of reports showing that there is no reason to think that aliens have visited earth. The administration has released new documents, but they haven’t made a splash because they haven’t revealed anything that interesting. Vance now tells podcasters that he’s “working on it” and simply hasn’t had time to get to the aliens question. It seems to me that this would be one of the first things you would look into once you got into office if you were interested in the topic, and strangely the vice president still has had the bandwidth to regularly record podcasts and write a book on his religious journey.
Obama – unlike Vance, a decent man who has not built a career out of flattering the lowest scum of the earth by becoming one with their hivemind – has consistently said that there’s nothing too exciting going on beyond what has been made public. The former president has stated that “the chances we've been visited by aliens is low, and I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials have made contact with us.” UFO-believers ignore statements like this coming from prominent individuals, and instead focus on those who are more conspiratorially-minded.
As Kirsch notes, in the last decades, the respectability of UFO discourse has increased despite no compelling evidence having emerged suggesting that we are being visited by aliens. In fact, with camera phones and better technology to monitor the skies, we can go one step further and say that the case for UFOs has never been weaker.
Imagine if there was a forest that had never been explored, and some people were saying that it was full of elves. We go in, start examining the territory, begin monitoring movements within it, and don’t find any such creatures. We wouldn’t at that point simply say there is still no new evidence for elves. We’d say that the hypothesis has been tested, and it has been falsified – at least to the degree that we can prove a negative in a situation like this.
In the midst of a discussion in Robin Hanson’s comments, I asked Claude for the 12 most compelling UAP cases in the US. The incidents spanned the range of 1947 to 2004. ChatGPT gives 1952 to 2014/2015, with only three since the year 2000 and none in the last decade. It’s quite curious how, for real phenomena in the sky, as our technology and monitoring capabilities have improved, the number of observations has increased. But, somehow, compelling UAP cases have become no more common over the last few decades. Maybe the aliens stopped coming when they knew they would be reliably seen, but there is obviously a more likely explanation here.
While the UAP discourse has no scientific value pertaining to aliens, it is interesting as a political phenomenon. This is a textbook case of how populism makes us stupider. For the better part of a century now, there have been people who have said that they’ve had firsthand experience with UFOs or extraterrestrial beings. Experts and serious scientific voices have responded that these reports weren’t credible, and had no real evidence to support them. The experts were right and the outsiders and self-styled mavericks were wrong, and now conspiracy theorists have gained ground because they have more access to large platforms than ever.
It was perhaps a reasonable hypothesis that unidentified objects in the sky might be aliens in the 1950s and 1960s. Nobody ever found any convincing evidence in support of this idea, at which point we should have considered the question settled barring any new findings. As we got exponentially more and higher-quality cameras and improved capabilities for monitoring the sky, the idea that extraterrestrials are here got less credible each day.
It’s also an interesting question why smart people have fallen for this. I think it is a good example of how living in a populist era means that even the best minds are going to occasionally be convinced by nonsense. A sophisticated observer might see a NYT report and a congressional hearing, and think that these are signs that a narrative has credibility, without updating to take into account the fact that Congress now includes figures like Nancy Mace and Anna Paulina Luna, who are no more trustworthy than the worst social media scammers. We’re also all constantly picking up lower-quality data like chatter from social media and fragments from podcast interviews, adding to the general sense that there must be something going on here. It’s hard to stay smart in an era that is so stupid!
In times like this, it’s important to stick to the basics. David Hume and Carl Sagan were right. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and eyewitness testimony tends to be the kind of evidence that humans are most likely to overrate. This is probably because we evolved to form bonds with other people, and that sometimes involves taking what they say seriously, even if there aren’t good objective reasons to believe that what they are saying is true. Moreover, before science existed, there really wasn’t any alternative to getting information from other human beings. This reminds me of the Fatima debate I participated in, where the fundamental flaw of the pro-miracle side was that they put way too much stock in the recollections of illiterate peasants.
I’m passionate about exposing the weaknesses behind claims of miracles and aliens not just because I enjoy debunking things and feeling superior, but also because arguments that there is real evidence for these things are an insult to actual science and truth-seeking. Questions like why, if the universe is so vast, we see no signs of alien life, as formulated by scientists like Frank Drake and Enrico Fermi, deserve serious attention, and the fact that we talking apes can extract any information at all from objects billions of light-years away – even that we have the concept of a light-year! – should fill us with awe and wonder. It should offend one’s sense of rationality to still see people, in the year 2026, act as if “trust me bro” counts as real evidence, in contradiction to everything we have learned about how to increase human knowledge. That’s good enough for those in the podcaster scene who, if we value honesty and intellectual integrity at all, we should regard with contempt.
The aliens are not here. Or at the very least, if they are, they’ve yet to give any hints of their existence that a rational observer should consider compelling. To figure out why that is should be one of the great projects of our species.
August 17th 2026
Hello UFO working group. (and four new people!)
Note: if you have time, I would highly recommend the first two videos at the time I marked them at. The Bigelow interview, at the time mark I mention is interesting as well, although you might like the whole of all these videos. A lot of other stuff I've linked is for documentation and for those of you who want to go deeper into the science, testimony, and theories. The Dr. Knuth interview is especially good if you want to explore more than the "nuts and bolts" of the phenomenon.
So here we go:
There are appeals being made to president Trump to free people from their security oaths and I wanted to share two of them that are in video form. The first is from a good channel I've mentioned many times, Psicoactivo. I would highly suggest watching the below video from 2min 30 sec til about 4min 20 sec, or as long as you want. Enjoy the highly credentialed whistleblowers, many whom have already testified under-oath, appealing to the president.
David Grusch leads UFO Whistleblowers' Disclosure plea for President Trump - Psicoactivo #1118
This next video I would watch at 36sec to 1min 25 sec. Later the channel (which is a small time channel) goes on show Grusch talking about more of what he knows with Dr. Phil at 3min and 8sec. Here's the video:
“I Saw the Alien Bodies” — Dr. Eric Davis Wants IMMUNITY
Davis has testified to small sessions of Congress and is well-known in UFO circles. While some of his claims ("there are at least 4 species visiting us") are controversial, he's a real physicist who has worked on top-secret space=based propulsion and other related things. Here's his publications from Research Gate (this stuff is beyond my understanding as far as the physics and math, maybe some of you will get it more):
Eric DAVIS | Senior Research Physicist | Ph.D. in Astrophysics | Research profile
Eric DAVIS, Senior Research Physicist | Cited by 389 | | Read 41 publications | Contact Eric DAVIS
But Dr. Phil is all in now and here's the full interview with Grusch if you want to watch it if you haven't yet:
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone
Another person who has worked a lot with government and has spent a lot of time and money on this subject is Robert Bigelow. He founded Bigelow Aerospace. His main hobbies seemingly have been UFOs, parapsychology and consciousness after death, which are some of mine. However, unlike me, he's a friend of Trump. Recently he did an interview with George Knapp and talked about how he implored Trump in person 1 on 1 to start a slow disclosure. He even respectfully gives the president the words he would like him to say, "A non-human intelligent presence has been on earth for a very long time. Using spacecraft and with performance completely beyond our capabilities and our human physics." Here's the video. The whole thing is good and Bigelow claims a lot of stuff is going on (recoveries, bodies, and he's even claimed at least once in the past that they walk among us -he's not the only one), but the part I am referencing is him talking to the president urging more disclosure is at 1min 24sec, and the specific thing I quoted earlier is at about 4min (this is 1 of two recent interviews he did btw):
Robert Bigelow and George Knapp discuss UFO disclosure
As always, are these people all mistaken, liars, deep-state operatives with some psyop task, or just idiots of some sort? This doesn't just go for them, but all the people in "Age of Disclosure" and all the other people who've come out over time including (a little trip down memory lane as I think I might have talked about some of these before):
Paul Hellyer: Degree in aeronautical engineering & worked in private industry. Joined the Canadian Army & then swtiched to the Airforce as a pilot. Later elected to Parliament & Later Minister of National Defense for 4 years & Minister of Transport for 2 years. In his later years until his death in 2021, claimed at least 4 species of aliens visit earth and later increased the number of species. Says U.S. government is in contact and there are collaboration efforts w/U.S. military and aerospace and are are intentionaled covered up. Accused global elites of hiding info for military, political, and economic advantages. Says aliens are concerned about our environment, particularly nuclear weapons. Claims they’ve intervened at times to disable nukes.
Edgar Mitchell: Ph.D. in aeronautics and astronautics from MIT. Navy Test Pilot (first in class). Apollo 14 Astronaut and 6th man to walk on the moon. Later astronaut instructor in advanced math and navigation theory. Who, starting in 1996, increasingly claimed UFOs are real and governments are covering up alien contact. Said at least some aliens are peaceful and concerned about Earth’s future. Also, that the Roswell incident was real.
Haim Eshed: Head of Israel's Space and Security Program for 30 years, former Brigadier General and oversaw many classified space programs. Ph.D in aeronautical engineering & professor at Israel Institute for Technology: Technion (their top engineering and space university). Published numerous peer-reviewed papers on aerospace and satellite tech. Awarded the Israel Defense Prize 3 times (given for classified contributions to national security). Who in 2020, at age 87, claimed that there is a “Galactic Federation" (just like Hellyer claimed...and others) that has been in contact with U.S. and Israeli governments. That there is a underground base on Mars with U.S. astronauts and aliens at it. That Trump was going to release all this in his first term but was asked not to to prevent hysteria, and that the aliens are observing us and waiting for us to reach a stage in which we’ll understand what “space and spaceships are,” and be included into the Federation. He said he was speaking out now as attitudes have been changing. He also claims aliens have prevented some potential nuclear disasters.
Carl Nell: Retired Colonel Carl Nell has over 30 years of experience in military intelligence. He served as the U.S. Army liaison to the Pentagon’s UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022. He holds a B.S. in Electrical Engineering (cum laude), an M.S. in Mechanical Engineering, and additional master’s degrees in Computer Science and Strategic Studies. In the private sector, he has held senior defense executive roles at Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and Bell Labs. While at the 2024 SALT Conference, Col. Nell asserted there is “zero doubt” about ongoing interactions between non-human intelligences (NHI) and humanity. He claimed that a covert arms race is underway to reverse-engineer non-human technology and stated that whistleblower David Grusch is “essentially correct” in his claims. He also cautioned against the risks of catastrophic disclosure and advocated for a phased, responsible approach to revealing such information.
Dr. Gregory Rogers: D.O. in Osteopathic Medicine from Oklahoma State University. Army Flight Surgeon in W. Germany and later Chief of Aerospace Medicine at Cape Canaveral and Vance AFB ‘89-’95. Completed NASA Flight Surgeon training, spaceflight physiology, and other Space Shuttle familiarization courses. Worked in emergency medicine and Army munitions medical leadership until retiring in ‘25. Served as Chief Flight Surgeon for NASA’s 45th Space Wing. Also holds a helicopter flight certificate. In May of 2025 claimed he was shown, in a locked Cape Canaveral hanger in ‘92 on CCTV, footage of a 20 foot white smooth, saucer shaped craft with U.S. AF markings. It hovered, rotated and tilted 45 degrees with no visible propulsion, control surfaces, etc. Claims the presenter, an AF Major, pointed up and said it was “gotten from them.” He also claims that several NASA astronauts have privately acknowledged seeing UAPs, sometimes flying in formation, but remain silent due to stimaga and security. Claims the AF is actively reverse-engineering such craft
This is a small list from a slideshow of mine that, except for Nell, doesn't include people from "The Age of Disclosure" nor many many other people who have claimed after working in highly secretive programs to have seen evidence of NHI (Non-Human Intelligence). Neil Degrasse Tyson has conceded more recently that the tone has changed in the UFO discussion because the nature of the people coming forward has changed. However, that's only because he didn't read earlier works like, "Above Top Secret" which is full of redacted documents and whistleblower testimony and/or wasn't willing to risk his reputation as spokesperson for rational empirical science. Eric Weinstein also fits in here as do many other people...but back to the main email.
So, speaking of the President, he now has a UAP Science Advisory Council. It was established in June to provide science guidance to the White House, Military, FBI and intel agencies on UAP and related stuff. Avi Loeb, who has been very active looking at curious space objects and potential debris in the ocean from a possible off-world technical object crashing, is it's Chairperson. He's gotten a lot of press coverage, no doubt for his claims that some interstellar objects could be alien tech, but also because he's the chair of the Harvard Astronomy department. (reminds me of John Mack -deceased- former chair of Harvard psychiatry department studying people saying they been abducted to see what's wrong with them, and coming to the eventual conclusion they've actually been abducted)
Here's an article from The Harvard Crimson talking about Loeb's role on the Council:
Inside Avi Loeb’s New UAP Council, Built From His Harvard Orbit | News | The Harvard Crimson
Some people think Loeb has sold out for administrative favoritism, some people think he was "gotten to" in some manner and now he's "captured" by the keepers of the knowledge. Others think he's working to roll out a slow disclosure that will be better for society from this position. But enough of Loeb, for now, let's list the other people on the council and then look deeper at just a few.
Prof. Liberty Vittert Capito: data analysis and statistics:
Prof. Carol Cleland: anomaly identification:
Dr. Richard Cloete: data analysis and AI tools
Dr. Omer Eldadi: data management, AI, and human psychology
Dr. Tim Gallaudet: oceanography:
Prof. Robin Hanson: statistics and economics
Ross Howard: communication:
Dr. Kevin Knuth: physics and instrumentation:
Ben Lamb: oceanography and biology:
Dr. Devesh Nandal: numerical analysis and astrophysics
Dr. Garry Nolan: molecular bilogy and materials science
Dr. Michael Shermer: the study of anomalies
Dr. Peter Skafish: anthropology
Prof. Matthew Szdagies: instrumentation and data collection:
Dr. Jennice Vilhauer: quantitative psychology
(hope I spelled all those right)
Some optimistic people think this this group, many of which are believers, will bring about disclosure, fast or slow. Some people think the president/admin is starting his own group because the entrenched, deep state, is resisting (and they've recruited Jake Barber's Skywatcher Team and their "Dog-whistle machine and psychic assets as well to do just that). Some people think this is just a PR move to placate the public and not much will come of it on purpose with the hope interest will die down, and so on. Maybe if there's disclosure related to this group there will be some great ensemble movie about their efforts?
Let's take a brief look at some of these people in no particular order:
First, Dr. Peter Skafish. He is a co-founder of The Sol Foundation and has been active in research and faculty positions world-wide. He believes this is a good faith effort and even talks about disclosure coming. At 19min in the video below he says this is about as fast as you want disclosure to go and he wouldn't mind if it went a little more slow. That sounds very affirmative about disclosure happening (and all it's implications). Also, what does he know or expect as a reaction if he wants it to go more slow? Here's the video:
The UFO Occupants: Living Beings, Avatars or AI? | Peter Skafish
Prof. Carol Cleland has been quoted as saying "It's clear to me that UAPs are not illusory. They are real phenomena." Here's the APA (American Philosophical Association) article interviewing her in which she says that quote and more:
Interview with Carol Cleland: Extraterrestrial Technology? | Blog of the APA
For those of you following this stuff pretty well you know Dr. Tim Gallaudet. A Ph.D in oceanography and ret. Rear Admiral, he testified to congress, under oath, saying "Confirmation that UAPs are interacting with humanity came for me in January 2015 when I was serving as the Commander of the Naval Meteorology and Oceanography Command..." He has since said more such as, ""UAP technology is the work of non-human intelligence" and is featured in "The Age of Disclosure." Here's an article from 2026 in which he says that latter quote:
High-speed Flying Object ‘Not of Human Origin’
Dr. Kevin Knuth. He's professor of physics with over 100 published peer-reviewed publicans and over 100 presentations in 18 countries has straight up said that the government has known aliens are here since 1961. He attributes much of his UFO beliefs to the somewhat dry, encyclopedic work of Robert Hastings who wrote, "UFOs and Nukes," which I've written about before. This interview with Dr. Knuth is really good, but does go past the nuts and bolts of there are things visiting us and into things like abductions and whatnot:
NASA Physicist: The Government Has Known Aliens Are Here Since 1961 | Dr. Kevin Knuth (as I mentioned in the beginning, this video is really good)
Dr. Gary Nolan from Stanford has come out and said "100%" aliens have visited earth. Go the the 2min 20 second part for the 100 percent statement:
"100%" Aliens Have Already Arrived -Dr. Garry Nolan & Alex Klokus | SALT iConnections New York
Also, it important to note the Nolan as been mentioned in discussion of winning a Noble by some and has been cited as an author in 559 publications and won numerous awards, Stanford Lifetime Achievement, etc...
Of course, there are other people, I am just covering a few of them. I will mention that Michael Shermer is a skeptic who I think goes through quite the contortions at times to dismiss events like the "Tic Tac" incident. Remember the "Tic Tac" incident was a UFO seen by David Fravor, and three other pilots in 2004. First is was tracked by the radar team in the CIC of the USS Princeton, using it's SPY-1 radar including Senior Chief Operations Specialist Kevin Day, Petty Officer 3rd class Jason Turner, and Petty Officer 3rd Class Gary Voorhis (all of whom have now come forward) as well as other onlookers watching objects drop from 80,000 ft to sea level in under a second and moving at up to 45,000mph with over 12,000 Gs. It would be easy to think the radar was broken except when they tasked multiple F-18s to the location they saw the object and even have FLIR video of it. Shermer smugly thinks these pilots (with radar support) might have got caught up in their stories, or it could have been secret military tech (pulling 12,000Gs unannounced in an active training range?) or some type of other perceptual anomaly. It seems he's to be the foil to the whole undertaking.
Then there's Robin Hanson who is highly credentialed. However, his theory of "grabby aliens" and other ideas about alien culture are, in many people's opinions (including mine), much too presumptuous and anthropomorphic about what might alien civilizations be motivated by. In the only interview I've seen with him, I found him overconfident. Maybe in time I will refine that 1st impression.
That's if for now.
However, we have 4 new members to the group. They are Mark Stewart, brothers Steven Knight and Geoff Knight, and a friend from Eric's work. Welcome. Feel free to read and watch what you want, contribute as you would like, send me suggestions or ideas, skip all that you want, just junk my emails, list me as Spam, or ask me to not include you.
Lastly, I mentioned this before, but for our 4 new members, I have been going back and archiving my old emails on my website, ufohorizons.com The links don't have pictures and the formatting is kind of funky with just copy paste, but for now that's how they are. I'll clean them up later, but later might be a long time from now.
Lots of Care,
Sam Kochel
On Monday, August 10, 2026 at 09:42:25 PM PDT, Sam Kochel <swkochel@yahoo.com> wrote:
1. I thought I would show you guys this:
Here's the article:
America Is Finally Taking Extraterrestrials Seriously
This is not a BIG BIG deal, but it's a deal.
2. The other reason is I wanted to start a new email to base future ones with Kevin Tien's email in the group. Hey Kevin, welcome to my UFO working group, where I occasionaly send large emails covering elements of the UFO phenomenon and related issues and everyone is free to read, of dismiss as much of it as they want.
Sam
August 9th, 2026
Hello UFO Working Group:
As always this will have a lot of links, and as always skip any links or videos or even just the whole thing:
First. I spun off my UFO stuff from my normal website, SamKochel.com, onto it's own website: UFOhorizons.com I want to thank my webmaster: Herbet Sommer (present here) for helping me: what dedication to the cause he has! ;) Here's a link to the site, but it sure needs a lot of work: perfect for days I have nothing to do at work on my prep period!
Second, yesterday the Department of Defense ("War" for now) and the White House released their 5th Tranche of UFO files. People are still looking for that amazing video that will tip the scales to be released and it's not there yet and there are theories why: soft disclosure takes time, stonewalling by the "deep state"/intelligence communities, it doesn't exist, and the aliens say we're not ready yet and so on. However, some of the real meat in this 5th Tranche is the reports (though videos are not terrible). Military pilots seeing a massive black triangle at night, a C-130 crew seeing 25 orb-like objects moving at up to 1.7 Mach and reacting to them firing weapons at their targets (not the orbs), memos from the FBI of missing time encounters and black triangles and so on.. Below is a video by perhaps the most trusted name in Ufology, Richard Dolan:
video notes: I would suggest you watch the 2min 50 second mark. More orbs, just like the Foo Fighters from WW2. Similar thing and way too many witnesses to be liars. Note the second incident at about the 12min 15sec mark, is of a a Navy pilot seeing something that was radar tracked at 3,800 knots (roughly 4,370mph -twice the Blackbird's top speed). The object responded to his maneuvers and there was a similar encounter days later. More the object was visually tracked by the pilot as well as the radar. A little after 23min in Dolan talks about 2 military pilots seeing a giant black triangle flying over them. The triangle was steady and silent, just like so very many other people have reported to have seen black triangles. The FBI investigated this report and talked to the two pilots who stuck to their story. There are more stories from the FBI with U.S. soldiers seeing black flying triangles from redacted FBI documents released in this 5th Tranche. I won't go on about the other incidents, but they are related in the video.
UAP Tranche 5: If You Think There’s Nothing Here, Look Again
Finally on this, I could write a whole email and barely scratch the enormity of the black triangle phenomenon. Some UFO people think it's a ARV (Alien Reproduction Vehicle) made fully, or partly, by humans using or inspired by alien engineering. Often it's called the "TR-3B 'Black Manta'" when thought of from that perspective. Dylan Borland testified to Congress under-oath seeing on fly over him while in the Air Force on duty at his base as a former spatial intelligence specialist at Langley. Regardless, there have been many many black triangle sightings. Here's an article about his experience and more in Starts and Strips:
Next, Eric wrote me about the news about Ukrainian scientists reporting UFOs near the moon, and so I thought I would address that here for everyone (and of course, Eric, you can invite your coworker to join my email list):
First I'll start off with the ResearchGate link from Eric's text here:
(PDF) UFO Dynamics on the Moon
What it talks about is 3 scientists from the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine have taken high-speed video recordings of the sky near the moon and found disc-shaped anomalies that are huge (25-40 km) moving up to 11 kilometers per second.
Here is another preprint from them from about 1 year earlier with some data you can see. They said some of the UFOs were seemingly anchored in place and others moved across the surface (but not on it) Some of them were hundreds of meters, other up to 40km! They said their color was "virtually indistinguishable from the Moon" and hard to detect. Here's the link:
Their interesting conclusion is that the moon serves as a base for UFOs. None of this stuff has been peer-reviewed yet. Of note there has been quite a history of different objects that seem like flying machines operating around the moon, and the first of these two links has some references to that in the introductory part of their paper.
Here is a yahoo article talking not just about their findings: but also why mainstream science isn't jumping onboard (I'll put of summary of those points below if you don't want to read the article):
Ukrainian Scientists Claim 20+ Giant UFOs Near the Moon – Experts Push Back
One thing is none of this is yet peer reviewed officially. These 3 researchers have a history of looking for UFOs and some of their earlier work was not up to standards according to their own institution. That is referring to a 2022 paper about "phantoms," dark objects moving at extremely high velocities (black triangles anyone?). Another issue with their work is that is was single station data with no other or independent equipment or researchers being brought in.
Hopefully we'll get some more researchers and some more data collected to see what's what in this case. As of now I think it's interesting, but it's something for me to pin up on the bulletin board and circle back to it later.
However, when you have enough pins on the bulletin board you can start linking them with strings like a detective, or a stark-mad crazy person with delusions (pick your metaphor). This brings us to...the moon.
We know that in the second to last UFO drop from the department of defense/war there was weird lights seen from the moon in a triangle pattern by Apollo 17 astronauts. This triangle pattern of lights (craft) has been reported all over the world.
UFO files: What did the Apollo 17 astronauts see on the moon?
Here's an article saying they saw more than just 3 dots from CBS News:
Speaking of astronauts, both Edger Mitchel and Gordan Cooper both testified we're not alone. However, Mitchell says he was told his in confidence by government insiders. Cooper, who said in 1951 a formation of disc out-performed his f-86 jet, later told the UN to take UFOs seriously and that governments were suppressing the info for fear of panic.
Back to the moon, some people really hang onto the moon's "weirdness" to claim it's artificial:
-it's really big compared to earth at a ratio that outpaces other moons that we know of
-it's oddly in place to give us almost perfect eclipses
-the density of the moon is off what it seems it should be
Here is a video from one of my favorite YouTubers whom I've linked before, The Angry Astronaut, talking about the Ukraine research and further points of view on how the moon seems strange given the prevailing idea that a mars sized object struck the earth to spin off the moon. There's also good videos (which maybe all be hoaxes) showing ship-looking objects traveling across the moon.
Insane! Astronomers spot huge UFOs orbiting the Moon!
For a little more fun, here is the excellent channel The Why Files and two of it's videos on the moon.
This first one is about the moon possibly being a hollow spaceship or base. At the end he debunks some stuff, but concludes the moon is weird (not that important to watch, but fun and not terrible):
The Moon Revealed: It's a Hollow Spaceship, so who built it and why?
This one I like even better and has more interesting claims and less debunking of them and leads me to wonder more. It's the idea that there is an alien base on the far side of the moon (fun but please don't watch unless you really want to):
The Dark Side of the Moon | Alien Activity and the NASA Cover-Up
A quick aside. The Crop Circles video by The Why Files is REALLY good. I would HIGHLY recommend it. Here's the link:
Aliens & Espionage: Crop Circles and the CIA Coverup | They Don't Want You to Know
Finally, if you want to get really spacey (pun intended), there are remote viewers who said they've "gone" to the moon and know that it's a hollow base for aliens or similar related claims. Here's a small list of these psychics: Ingo Swann, Courtney Brown (from the Farsight Institute), and I think a few more from Farsight. One of the more convincing remote viewers is Pat Priace who claimed there were alien bases at Mount Hayes in Alaska (where a lot of people have disappeared), Moutn Perdido in Spain, Mount Nyangani in Zimbabwe, and Mount Zeil in Australia. But I'll save him for perhaps a different email about bizarre stuff on the fringe of the fringe.
I don't know much about The Farsight Institute yes, but supposedly they use a good protocol (according to people into the subject of psychic powers) for not getting false positives.
Here is a video about Ingo Swann who worked for the CIA and his claims of aliens on the moon (more moon fun, but not that important to watch, unless your getting into learning about remote viewing--which I am NOT saying I believe in):
Alien Bases On The Moon | The Amazing True Story of Ingo Swann
Next, this email has inspired me to write about Dr. Beatriz Villarroel and her team looking at about 2,000 plates of photos from space from the Palomar Sky Survey, all pre-Sputnik. They report seeing transit objects that are there and then not there days, sometimes just a hour, later. Or not there, then there, and then not there. Over 100,000 have transits have been found by her and her team. Some of then are in what seems like clusters, even formations: super interesting. Her works has gone through peer review and is being taken seriously by many. You can see in the links.
Here is a link from Oxford Academic publishing her work:
https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/527/3/6312/7457759
Here's another from PubMed:
Exploring nine simultaneously occurring transients on April 12th 1950 - PubMed
The transits were more likely to appear during nuclear testing (when it was done back then), which supports much of the evidence that UFOs are interested in our nuclear incidents and capabilities (both weapons and accidents) Here's a video on this stuff from The Angry Astronaut (pretty good video and not too long):
I'M SHOCKED! UFO researcher Beatriz Villarroel got thrown under the bus by Avi Loeb!
And if you want something in video form that's more academic here is a video featuring Villarroel, being praised and discussed by Dr. Gary Nolan from Stanford who has many accolades (pretty darn good video, but longer):
Dr. Beatriz Villarroel with Dr. Garry Nolan: UAP Detected in Orbit Before Satellites
As of now the Dr. Villarroel stuff seems more solid than the Ukrainian stuff, but the Ukrainian stuff sure makes bigger claims.
There's always more to write and there's so much stuff going on, but that's it for now. Rock on everyone.
Sam
On Saturday, August 1, 2026 at 12:51:23 PM PDT, Sam Kochel <swkochel@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is the same email I sent before, but just given a quick proof-read.
Here's the link below of the Dr. Phil podcast interview I am talking about:
Psychology of Disclosure: The Conversation No One's Having
So, I just found this from 2 days ago (I am slipping). Dr. Phil is talking with his guest, Dr. Janice Vilhauer a clinical psychologist who has taught at UCLA , Emory, and Columbia, about a variety of disclosure related subjects: mostly getting ready for it. Dr. Phil talks about how he was once an "open skeptic" who is now is convinced in the phenomenon, and believes disclosure is coming. Remember he's friends with Trump, and said after the last file drop that Trump gave him exclusive access to the last file drop before it was put out there and in the video says he has "an active dialogue" with President Trump. Dr. Phil, after talking about Trump, says there are much better videos and much more information than what's being released.. About 10:00min in Dr. Phil says he thinks there's been a psyop to discredit the phenomenon in the past. Other than that the video goes on to talk about preparing the citizens psychologically and otherwise for disclosure: which Dr. Phil thinks in happening, slowly, by design.
My take:
It could be as simple as Dr. Phil has been curious enough to look, into and reflect, upon the information with an "open skeptical" mind and he's come to the conclusion most people come to when looking enough: some type of non-human intelligence is interacting with our planet.
It could very well be that knowingly or unknowingly he is part of the soft disclosure. Dr. Phil has a large audience and much of that is a demographic that would be good to prepare for disclosure so we don't have too much panic: hording, cult-like behavior, fear-mongering scams, a mental-health crises on a large scale, anti-government riots, and so on. Note, by unknowingly, I mean he's been fed information, knowing that he would probably talk about it.
I don't know which of those two I think is more likely...maybe the second by a margin.
It does seem the whole thing is picking up some speed and the word disclosure might be something that will be synonymous with UFOs. "Hey, Gary, do you really think there will be a government disclosure?" will be clear in context such that Gary won't have to ask, "Disclosure of what?" We are seeing more and more scientist and academics talking about it now: which is exciting.
Another former skeptic I've been watching videos featuring is Diana Pasulka. I think most of you will like these links coming up. Some of you may have heard about her (Chris D?)? She got her M.A. from Graduate Theological Union and a Ph.D from Syracuse. She's a professor of religious studies at University of North Carolina Wilmington and was the chair of the department of Philosophy and Religion and is also writer. She is also a practicing Roman Catholic. (much of this came from Wikipedia btw).
Here's her website:
D.W. Pasulka - Author, Educator, Speaker
She wasn't really into UFOs, but focused mostly on Catholicism, religious experiences, and beliefs about the afterlife. Her specialty was how people created meaning around extraordinary experiences. She says she noticed similarities between historical religious experiences, which she knew about already, and UFO encounter reports when studying meaningful extraordinary experiences. A turning point for her (and for many) was when she was interviewing more and more scientist, engineers, pilots, etc.. who took UFO experiences seriously and then started taking trips to the Vatican archives and Vatican Observatory but not at first as a believer, but a researcher. She's been hesitant to say openly there is a non-human intelligence visiting us...but seems to be leaning more and more this way. Interestingly to me she also is now more interested in NDEs (Near-Death Experiences) and there is a section in this long interview with Ph.D neuroscientist and actor Mayim Bialik talking about these a little.
So here's the link. I think many of you will find this interview interesting, but I think Chris Decean will certainly like it, in particular in that she's a practicing Roman Catholic and talks about limits of Materialism, Catholic views on Aliens, Plato's Cave, lots of old texts and lots of sci-fi, and whatnot. But again, I think most of us in this group like most of this stuff.
UFOs in Religion: Hidden Link Between Ancient “Miracles” and Modern Aliens | Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka
Finally, here she is talking with Leslie Kean. Lean is an author and the journalist who wrote the famous 2017 NYT article blowing the UFO subject open for many people. This video is talking about UAP/UFOs and the afterlife. Kean wrote a whole book on the subject of NDEs and was separately interested in UFOs and later started seeing the connection between the two. I know I already sent a whole thing about about NDEs and UFOs, but I wanted to send a little more about Pasulka here. I would read the little description about the video in the grey box: it's good. The comments are interesting too. Also, I think Pasulka in a video I watched recently (there's been so many videos) said that at first fundamentalist were really opposed to NDEs and repressed them because all of the experiencers say they get the impression there really is no hell. And we all know that most all the fundamentalist really focus on the belief in hell. (this video is short):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glBw825jE7Y&t=45s
That's all for now. Mantis stuff coming up eventually.
Sam
Hello UFO people,
-As always feel free to skip this until your ready, or just delete it, and to follow the links or not, to watch the videos, or not. Or maybe just dive in and jam through it all and enjoy: haha Also, sorry for not editing it more.
This will all get around to UFO stuff. Hang in there, you'll see. But there is going to be a lot of "woo" in this one:
Since H.S. I've been quite interested in Near Death Experiences and started reading about them in college. More recently, I’ve read a few hundred of them on NDERF (Near-Death Experience Research Foundation).
https://www.nderf.org/?lang=en
I've also been watching more on NDE accounts YouTube, both academic channels of people who study them at universities and people's personal channels as well. All very interesting. My conviction rate is pretty high that these people are experiencing something many would call supernatural, but it's not 100%. There are too many serious people to think they are all liars, but they could be delusional I suppose? I am sure a few are indeed liars though. Here's a story about a boy who "died" and came back saying he went to Christian Heaven, and a best-selling Christian book was written about it. Later he admitted he lied for the attention
But most never write books, make money or recant. A story I find particularly compelling is the story of Johnathan Ashford. He "died" from sepsis and said he went to the other side, was filled with love and shown things and then choose to come back, just to be helpful. That makes sense to me, I like to help people I love. Most NDE people say after their experience they know that there is life after death and many say reality "there" was more real than here.
When Johnathan Ashford came back (I will just call him Johnathan from here on out to save time), he started giving talks, doing live zoom calls and publishing a webpage. He does accept donations, but doesn't charge for any of it. He does personalized 1 on 1 zoom calls (booked over a year ahead) and weekly zoom group zoom calls and doesn't charge for either. When I saw him speak he didn't charge (the venue charged $20, but it could be waived if you choose to), and spent nearly 5 hours just answering questions. I find this all very compelling. There are some other very compelling cases out there: Eben Alexander, Pam Reynolds, Anita Moorjani, and so many more. All "come back" with similar (not the same) experiences, and those who were gone longer have more similar beliefs and values when they come back, focusing on loving others and service to them and the planet. I'll put in a link to Johnathan's website which also has links to some of his videos you YouTube (which can also be found directly on YouTube).
One other thing I should mention that I find compelling, you'll see in some of his videos, is he will say things like "this will ruffle some feathers" and then say something that might be adverse to the sentiment of many in the crowd. He's talked about the importance of suffering, how abortion is not a loving act (more on that down below), and told one guy there are no real spirit guides in the sense that there is at base level nothing truly separate in spirit, even though the guy was getting testy about it and I've seen in videos of his Q&As him tell people other things that might not have sat well with them. He's does this all very calmly and kindly, but he doesn't seem to be just feeding people what they came/want to hear.
https://www.jonathanashford.com/
This is the best "short" video of him speaking I've seen so far:
The near death experience of Jonathan Ashford
Here's an aritlcle I threw in about doctors and NDEs. There are many more, but nothing conclusive.
Why more doctors are validating near-death experiences
What five decades of research has taught us about surviving death.
Interestingly, (and this is something I might have shared before), a psychic for Jake Barber's UFO Sky-Watcher Group said a message he got from communicating with "the orbs" is that they told him, "you can best understand us as coming from what you would call the afterlife" and later something to the effect of "it's different from what you think" (this second quote I am paraphrasing). I'll put a link below. This is interview is from one of my favorite UFO channels, which I use to think was too out there. But if you get past his low production value and passion, he makes good points and only seems to publish when there is something to say. Also notice how former special operator and BJJ black belt, Jake Barber has psychic "assets" on his team and how well put together and non "woo" the psychic guy seems. Here's the video:
Inside Skywatcher: Psionic Asset James Hodgkins Breaks His Silence
I remember listening to a UFO channel maybe last year and a former insider said what he learned was that to understand UFO stuff you have to understand Psi phenomenon (at least to some extent). We know already that virtually ALL communication people from all over have said they've had with from UFOs or otherwise "supernatural" entities is telepathic, and according to others that's how the craft are flown as well: with telepathy. So maybe there are people who have somehow been contacted and had messages relayed to them? If not, there sure are a bunch of high-ranking liars out there.
So when Johnathan started talking about seeing orbs and getting messages from them on Saturday, it set me straight up in my chair. He said something big is coming soon, which is what many channelers have said on YouTube, and that makes me either think they're all just saying what we want to hear to make money, or it's actually real, or it's a coincidence, or their in an echo chamber. I am guessing some actually think they are right, and many others are con people? Interestingly, many of these people are saying that as soon as 2026/27 disclosure is coming. More interestingly, Dan Farah, they guy who made "Age of Disclosure" said he expects disclosure by the end of 2026:
BOMBSHELL: Dan Farah Guarantees UFO Disclosure By End of Year
Now "UFO people" have made similar claims about imminent disclosure in the past, but this is a guy who made a documentary filled with high-ranking government people, and did a pretty good, non-sensationalistic job. In interviews he's clearly grounded and sane and doesn't make claims like aliens talk to him or whatnot. He says he has it on inside information. and it's important to note a lot of the best researchers on say that there are plenty of people that talk to them "off the record" and say things like, "you're on the right track," or "we have craft and bodies," etc... But researchers don't/can't report this as it's just hearsay from anonymous sources who will never come out if they're betrayed, etc... So when Dan Farah, Johnathan and a host of others are saying disclosure is coming soon, maybe it is? IDK. I told my wife if there's no big movement by end of 2027, I am sidelining this interest/hobby/passion/obsession (pick your word).
Johnathan, and others, from inside and outside NDE space, have made it sound like the infinite divine/source/it/God is in everything (it is infinite), and we are projections of it like fingers on a hand, experiencing and learning lessons from our life here on earth. "Earth School" is a term that is getting more traction some of you maybe have heard it used more lately. That we keep coming back to learn and experience, but if we can divorce ourselves from our egos enough we can connect with our deeper self, the part that never dies and is more connected, or part of, source: our soul so to speak. Interestingly, a lot of what he said/says is similar to what people like the famous Buddhist teacher Alan Watts, the Vietnamese Buddhist Thich Nhat Hanh, some DMT and ayahuasca psychonauts, some channelers I've just had fun listening to, and many major religions have taught. Johnathan's metaphor early on during Saturday was that we are like fingers on a hand with the hand being source/it/God, and later saying we're like the rays coming off the sun, with the sun being source/God and it's loving in a way that is indescribable.
I am going to say a bunch more about what Johnathan communicated on Saturday for those who are interested at the end of this. However, I know that what Johnathan says and NDEs might not be everyone's cup of tea while interesting to others. So before I go into that experience of being there at the event, I'll present some more UFO stuff. There's always too much to talk about, so it's just some.
Speaking of "just some," there is one last thing that Johnathan, and Darryl Anka (a guy who says he can channel an "alien presence") say, and that is that there is some stuff we're not not suppose to know yet, or that they can't tell us yet. In Johnathan's talk there were certain questions about the future and/or "the big thing" coming that he said he may be able to talk about soon (but not yet). Here's the interesting connection with UFOs. These "woo woo" people NDEs experiencers, channelers, etc... who seem like decent people are saying there's stuff they can't talk about, and there are UFO researchers who sometimes seem like they stop being so open, fall off, or seem to otherwise retreat from the field. People accuse them of having sold out, or that the government "got to them." I wonder, if there is a truth, a good or bad truth, that is compelling enough that once we learn of it it really isn't in the interest of humanity to share it at this time? Maybe that's why the cover-up persists so effectively and all over the world? Maybe any decent person or government would know it should be covered up. There some who postulate that NHI are really the ones asking the governments to work on their timeline. Crazy stuff to even type, but fun to wonder about. Supposedly we're all finding out soon(ish), and according to some of the "woo woo" people we're going to be splitting into those who are willing to raise our vibrations (or something like that, whatever it means), and those who just aren't. Johnathan also, many times, during his talk (not just with "UFO stuff" -which was very sparse) said that living the way he suggested will alienate you from others, and certainly no more so than when this "big change" is comes. He said he's lost friends and family to his beliefs and the life he lives now. He also says it's all going to be o.k. after the chaos. Note: he also seemed to imply that most of this stuff (maybe all) is interdimensional (for sure the orbs). He also said something I didn't get in context about recovered crafts almost being like source gave us toys to play with.
More UFO stuff:
Trump seems to be relating now that former contractors and officials can now come forward and report all they know about UFOs/UAPs without repercussions. But it has to be coming forward and talking with the Trump admin, not the free press. This would be, perhaps, the whistleblower protection that people like Anna Paulina Luna has been looking for. This news is from just this week. However, they all could have done it in the past but many felt the office of ARRO (All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office), was not working in their best interest. But the old director people didn't like is out, and the new guy seems legit say UFO researchers.
Also, UFO reports seem to have gone up a lot. Is this because there is less stigma? Is it because it's more in popular culture and more people believing they're seeing them? Is it because, as some say, the NHI is pushing the agenda by showing up more, and we are just trying to get the world ready for something the government already knows which is the NHI are pushing the timeline, so the governments better try to get us ready. Some of the more "woo" people have said this is part of how disclosure will go down: more sightings just to get more people ready, then disclosure, then open contact, first with hybrids (already living on earth), then the Nordics, and later more exotic beings as we acclimate. Just typing that feels like I've lost my mind, hopefully if all this is nonsense I can be successfully deprogrammed: haha. One more thing, the area off/around Catalina Island is suppose to be a hot spot. However, I have spent a lot time at Catalina (my grandfather use to live there) and I never saw or heard of anyone seeing anything. Also, speaking of my grandfather. When he was dying of cancer he told my mom he was scared because he saw a white hand reaching out to grab him. She asked it it was threatening and he said it was peaceful and beautiful, but freaked him out. I think there are probably a lot of stories like this floating around that never get reported. Doesn't make them true, but I am wondering about them more and more.
Pivoting back to Johnathan and UFOs. On Saturday, after a lady asked a question that led to him talking about orbs, he said he went out to the desert with some "high level" people to contact orbs. Later I asked him about this as part of my longish one question and told him I know that Rep. Steve Burlison said that he was briefed on an event that occurred in which UFOs were summoned not long ago and that many credible "top intelligence" people ,and those types were there, and it was clearly a great success that was undeniable. He said he got the briefing on this and that the briefing he got is "the briefing everyone wants" on The Hill now. Here's a video of him talking about this:
Burlison says Summoning orbs has changed the conversation. Briefs are being requested!
In addressing my question, Johnathan said he couldn't say who was there, but it was type of people I am thinking of and more. He said there was also a person(s) from the Vatican, and he couldn't say more, yet. This is not nearly the first time The Vatican has been brought up in conjunction with UFOs. The main story is that on June 13th, 1933 the Vatican recovered a UFO from Magenta Italy and after WW2, gave it to the U.S. Many people in the UFO space believe this to be true. Among them is David Grusch:
David Grusch calls out the Vatican over the Magenta 1933 UFO Crash Retrieval - Psicoactivo #1090
There are other instances in which The Vatican has been named as a institution that at some level knows more than they are letting on yet about what's what with UFOs. Here's Danny Sheehan a lawyer and former legal counsel to the Jesuit U.S. national HQ talking about how the Catholic Church knows more and calling them to lead:
Will Pope Leo open secret Vatican UFO files? | Banfield
So that's the first end to this email. Now I am going to attempt to describe more of how my event with Johnathan Ashford went. It's going to be a little messy relative to other things I type, (as in messier). If the Johnthan stuff doesn't interest you, no worries thanks for making it this far!
Sam
Part 2:
So on Saturday I drove to the Santa Monica Bay Woman's Club to see Johnathan speak. There was no books, or "spiritual" jewelry or anything else anyone was trying to sell and I thought was a good omen: haha. The audience was probably 60% female and mostly in their 40s-70s, with a few exceptions perhaps. I sat by an "interesting" lady who quizzed me on what I was there to learn and claimed she was a former Stanford M.D. who decided all that was meaningless and that I need to listen to the space between the words, not the words themselves, so I stopped listening to her: haha. Later, she twice for a brief period leaned her head on my shoulder, I am not making this up. I don't know what kind of deep wisdom she was there for? :) The event was was smallish and maybe 300 or so people. It was scheduled from 1-5pm. On a small stage a woman interviewed Johnathan for about 30 min. Then there was a Q&A with the audience that lasted the rest of the time. After about 1 hour and a half a lady before me asked about orbs in the sky and she was the first to ask a UFO related question. I asked my question later and those were the only 2 UFO questions. Most were about lessons on suffering, why were here, how to live better, what do dreams mean, etc....
So while my one question was about orbs, disclosure and other recent government statements, DMT (and the entities), meditation and how do all of those things intersect. I had other questions prepared as not knowing the format didn't know how much time I would get to ask: turns out it was one each: which was fine. However, I had typed up:
-"How do you know this wasn't a delusion?
-"Why can't you, or other NDE people, bring back proof of your experience: like a new invention, or an answer to a scientific mystery? Something that can be verified or close to it."
and
-"Do some people really have psychic powers" If so why isn't there any scientific evidence to show things like remote viewing, channeling, telepathy? Seems the first and last one would be easy to verify in a controlled setting."
So my messy notes are below. For each statement you could fill in me saying something like "if this stuff is true." I am certainly not a 100% believer. You could probably learn more from some of his videos: here's one I like in which the host doesn't try to "join in" too much.
Jonathan Ashford | Near Death Experiencer | LIVE AT UNITY OF DALLAS
So on with my messy notes:
-He's not big into free will and related that "how you express yourself in love" and how you observe and witness the unfolding of the universe is about the extent of your free will. He made it seem like life is like reading a book (my analogy) and your free will is how you care, feel, and reflect on it: but none of that will change the contents of the book.
-He said something about there being no"spirit guides" separate from you once you truly free yourself. He was addressing a guy who insisted their were spirit guides, and Johnathan said calmly that everything seemingly separate are really manifestations of one thing at a fundamental level. (I think I am getting that right?)
-He said all the religions and spiritual practices were like "fish hooks" dangling from a ceiling that catch us and reel us in closer to the truth. But to truly pass through the ceiling we have to let go of the hook eventually: or we just come back here. Many NDE people say we reincarnate. They say, we choose to come here to work on certain things and have certain experiences and to grow. However, most NDE people just see themselves looking down at their body, maybe a light and a tunnel and then they're shortly back in their bodies. It's a smaller amount that have these much longer experiences with life reviews, feeling love as some indescribable scale, and being shown/communicated information.
-He said there is a divine masculine and a divine feminine and together they make the whole. But here on earth we've often had powerful groups in government and religion push down the divine feminine for reasons of control. He said it was easy to see this in the writing in the bible, and what has been left out of it. I would have liked him to be more specific here.
-He said what we think of as evil and suffering serves a purpose to allow there to be growth.. Alan Watts the Buddhist teacher said something similar; that "suffering is a teacher." Johnathan also said that for some of us, part of our role is to help other people grow by, often unintentionally, putting them in a position where they can learn to overcome suffering. He said we're not here to be "light against the dark" but to transcend them both. In another video he said that are no "evil" and "good" people or something like that but there are loving acts and non loving acts (I think that was it?)
-More, he said suffering gives us the opportunity to become love. To choose existence here is to choose suffering and the desire to stop it and to understand why there is suffering is the way to stop suffering. (I think I am getting those notes right: I have messy writing).
-He said our ego is our teacher in that is causes us suffering. It's especially good at teaching us stuff when you can step away and look at it. But it's alike a 3 year old and will throw a tantrum when we try. However, if you love and accept your ego from a distance, it will calm it down.
-He said that the divine is always with us and that it taps us on the shoulder, so to speak, and sometimes we hear it, sometimes not (we even shut it out). If we don't hear it or move to it (something like that) it'll just keep tapping, sometimes harder.
-He said that our role in the fist 3 to 4 years of life as a father is to just be loving. (someone asked a question about loving children vs. discipline if I remember correctly)
-He said there are spiritual centers like Sedona and Moad, but they are not necessary (for some extra transcendence?).
-I already mentioned he said we're like rays off the sun and source is the sun that loves us and sets up this little play and our costumes for us to play here (his words, but not a quote), but source is always with us. He further said that source/it (he used those two terms the most) has no ego and doesn't want worship. That if we just acknowledge it, for our own sake, we'll be better off, and someday we'll experience it again (when we die) and we'll laugh when we do. (I think he means we'll laugh in that our lives here so are short and we take them sometimes so heavily, despite the short speck of time they are).
-Next, he said abortions are not a loving act and doesn't condone them. He didn't make it sound like murder, and said something along the lines of you have no idea what a soul came to earth to experience or not (I think he was talking about the aborted fetus), but that it's best if you act lovingly to others. This all started because someone asked about when souls enter the body and I think he said pretty quickly, but there is no ego yet. Finally, he said even though abortions are planned (again I think he's saying we have a plan to our life when we come here: something very very many NDE people say), it's still unloving.
-He said physical boundaries (and separations) aren't' what you think they are in regards to being loving. He said our loving effects everything. So that sitting in a chair at home sending out pure love to all is better than giving out food to one poor person. He seemed to also say that this is a type of praying and it effects all of us.
-He said we are better off when we surrender to the divine presence in all of us by getting out of the way (I think he means out of the way of our ego). Drugs (I think he means things like DMT), meditation, and NDEs have been things that have allowed that, but simply being aware, having gratitude and love is a path, and a type of prayer. He says he sees more than most because his NDE and now he's preparing & helping. More, that we should release definitions to experience more. And that orbs aren't "orbs" and there is so much more that we can't see or understand. He said something to the effect of we only understand like 1/2 of a % of what's going on. Maybe it was way less than that, I didn't write that part down.
-Another thing he said, that I've heard from so very many NDE experiencers, is that on the other side we relive our lives from the point of view of the others we interacted with and see how our behaviors impacted them. This life review from others point of view is seemingly, not as some kind of punishment (or reward), but more like a consequence and acknowledgement of interconnection I think?
-He said on the other side color is a being, that pretty much everything is a "being." I might have missed some notes here, and maybe even the context. There were many times I was still thinking about the last answer he gave or what question I would ask and the details of how I would phrase it that I know I missed some stuff.
-He said that on the other side we are love, but on this side we get to be/experience love (loving?) and that that's the gift. I think he's saying that it's our fundamental state of being on the other side, but here we get to feel it through separation, choice, vulnerability. Here we get to reunite, risk rejection, choose to care, choose to forgive, love those who hurt us, etc... I guess it's something we live through rather than live in (or as) I think.
-One really strong moment is when a woman got up and started to cry really hard about her daughter committing suicide only months before and why did this happen. I started to get close to crying, it was very strong and touching. His answer was the he's sorry for her loss, but in truth her daughter is still with her always and that she will be with her daughter again. That she can still talk to her daughter and her daughter will hear her. That suicide is not preferred (I think it's because you're not living out your life and it's "mission"), but there is no hell or punishment.
-He also said something in the affirmative about Deja Vu being meaningful (if I remember correctly), which I found odd as I believe that we've understood the mechanisms of it pretty well and it's just a brain mistake, like forgetting someone's name your just heard, no need to make it some "big" spiritual thing.
-He also said that dreams are sometimes meaningless, but that some are messages from our higher self communicating with us now that our ego is asleep (as sometimes our ego blocks the message/pain, etc...). This I could believe more than the Deja Vu stuff. Also, if you want to communicate this way he suggested keeping a dream journal and look for the message. However, this could also be explained as repressed feelings and wants and desires as well as traumas, not necessarily a spiritual "higher self" thing.
-He said that the part of us that wants to be accepted blocks the part of your that wants to give and have unconditional love for others and ourselves. Also, that when we choose love that's when we're our higher self and there are infinite possibilities around you to tap into this "higher self." This made me think of people like Gandhi and others who seemed very loving but were rejected by many and in his case, killed.
-Interestingly, someone asked him if we should be vegetarians and he said something to the effect that he has no strong stance on that. That will kill microbes with every breath and it's killing is always happening and part of nature and we just don't approve of it when something has fur. I would like to have had the chance to ask about the difference between killing a microbe and an killing something like a whale, a dog or chimp, or some other social emotional animal with sentience. Or ask him about factory farming which leads to killing but involves all kinds of suffering along the way in some cases.
-He said that one of the best, or maybe it was the best, way to get more spiritual and loving was to practice gratitude and see the gift that everything is, even suffering. He also mentioned "little things" to be grateful of like a fork, or the metallurgy that made the fork, or the guy that made the machine the made the fork your holding, etc... That gratitude opens the door to spiritual experiences. He also said the current war is yet another chance for us to be better to evolve our consciousness or something like that.
-He said that everything here serves a purpose to awaken us, and we serve everyone else to awaken them.
-He said there are no hierarchies (in heaven) unless you believe in them and that will keep you coming back here. I think this was again about a false separation we make.
-He said prayer works from the heart and to pray only for love not other outcomes. (I don't recall if by other outcomes he meant things like cars and money, or did he also mean things like wisdom and peace?)
-He said that we try too much to feel good, not divine. But our society sells good feelings rather than divine experiences as you can commoditfy them much easier.
-There is some note I can't read very well here that says something like "Give yourself love when you can't feel love for others, which in itself is impossible & sometimes helpful for them" (I am quoting my own writing here). I think he was saying that sometimes it feels impossible to feel love for someone else and if you just love yourself at those times it might even be good for them. I know he said something about sometimes we hurt other people in ways that are helpful to them and they do the same to/for us. Something about how when we feel frustration that will be a chance for love and forgiveness.
-A very Buddhist type thing he said is, "suffering is created in a searching for an outcome." It was clear he meant our preferred outcome.
-He said something about removing selfishness for clear abilities and deep meditation is an answer. I wish I could remember more what "abilities," but there are stories of people that when they meditate for years can do all types of psychic things like leave their body, remote view, blah blah blah. Very interesting. But why don't we have good evidence of these abilities in controlled settings?
That's all the notes I have, even though there was so much more.
Do I believe all this to be true: no, not yet, maybe someday, maybe never? I do think some of it is wise and that wisdom can come from many places and not at all because you had an NDE or lived meditating on a mountain.
So that's my Johnathan Ashford day. I drove home on the 1 and it was nice and played board games with fiends and had Jiu-Jitsu the next morning and that was great.
It took me a bit to get to this email as I knew it would take a long time to type it.
Thanks, Sam
So in the past I used to sometimes watch a great YouTube channel called "Task and Purpose." The main host was funny, insightful, and talked sharp and fast about military vehicles, strategy, current events. There was some issue and now the main host has his own channel "Cappy Army," which is more of the same. Another great channel. Phil, and Chris Hamming, I think both you you might really like it, but many others here may too.
Anyway, I got in my feed today a brand new video, "Why UFO's Are a Nightmare for National Security.," put out by "Cappy Army." I had no idea it would ever host something like this, and especially such a detailed and well-done one. So "team believer" gets bigger...?). However, while Dr. Phil has about 6.47million subscribers his main YouTube channel, Cappys Army has about 814K.
The video is very good. It's mostly about stuff this last drop of government files confirm and collaborates with past reports and data as well as the trouble radar operators and interceptors have knowing what to do. I think it really picks up about the halfway point. It also highlights documents about the "foo fighters" flying in bizarre, but clearly intelligent, formations during WW2, way before drones. And, like some of you know, Axis and Allies suspected the foo fighters was other side's secret project.
Here's the link to the video. I would recommend it. Nothing too woo in this one...I'll save that for my next email about mantis beings.
Why UFO’s Are a Nightmare for National Security
However, it does go on to further to talk about some of the issues surrounding UFOs and nuclear arsenals. For some of you who might now know UFOs have been seen since the beginning of nuclear testing all the way today sometimes around our nuclear assets, power plants, or even around nuclear disasters like in Japan. They have flown around the missiles, near the underground tests even, and the ocean tests as well. More, they have been seen around our ICBM sites. In his book, "UFOS and Nukes," Robert Hastings tracks down and interviews at least 150 retired military who relayed to him their sightings as ICBM bases. All report extraordinary performance beyond anything they thought possible. Some said the craft were not made by humans and a smaller number asserted they were alien, most said they couldn't even guess what they could be and declined to speculate to Hastings. All of these 150+ people were launch officers, security, radar operators, maintenance and storage people as well, and all were people who choose to talk to him. After the Cold War we had access to find the Soviets had been dealing with the same type of thing.
Importantly, many (maybe even most) of these people were part of the Personnel Reliability Program (PRP). It's a program that continuously keeps track of your mental and physical and emotional health. Also, any stressors are monitored, financial problems or stability and it's continuous. They even have to report taking any prescription drug(s) and why and even some non-prescription drugs like some sleep aids, certain cold medicines at the time, and so one. My point here is that these are really straight arrow people that are unlikely to be the types who would lie, or be easily conned or confused. Here's a link to the book:
Finally, some people suggest UFOs around our nukes are scouting us or "prepping the battlefield." I think this is silly. I would imagine their tech could easily wipe us out in a variety of ways and that our nukes aren't some special silver bullet they have to worry about. I think it's more likely that they don't want to see us and/or our planet destroyed by us being idiots with our dangerous weapons (maybe while trying to take them out). Maybe the NHI (non-human intelligences) aren't our friends, but I don't think they're prepping for a kinetic war. Anyway there are other theories about why they are interested in our nuclear tech
Mostly, I hope some of you watch the video: I thought it was really good.
On June 25th the Disclosure Project hosted an event in the Kennedy Caucus Room of the Russell Senate Office Building on Capital Hill in D.C. Disclosure Forum 2026 | Disclosure Foundation (this link has the whole forum on video, but it's over 7 hours long)
Here's a who's who of how was there:
Political:
-Mike Rounds -Republican Senator
-Kirsten Gillibrand -Democratic Senator
-Anna Paulina Luna -Republican U.S. Representative
-Eric Burlison -Republican U.S. Representative
-Andre Carson -Democratic U.S. Representative
-Suhas Subramanyam -Democratic U.S. Representative
Former Government and Military:
-Christoper Mellon -Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under Clinton and Bush
-Admiral Timothy Gallaudet, PhD.D -Rear Admiral (Ret). Former Acting Administrator of he National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and former Acting Under Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere. Ph.D in oceanography
-Krik McConnel -Former senior staff member for the Senate Armed Services Committee
-Mark von Rennenkampff -Former analyst at the U.S. Department of State
Scientists & Researchers & Policy People
-Jonathan Miller -Program Engineer, Lecturer, & Lead Investigator in Department of Mechanical Engineering at MIT
-Dr. Jennice Vilhauer -Clinical psychologist with Emory Healthcare and Cedars-Sinai
-Susan Winterberg -Former fellow at Technology and Public Purpose Project at Harvard
-Mike Gold -President of Redwire Space, former NASA Associate Admin
-Pippa Malmgren -Economist and former presidential advisor in George W. Bush admin.
-Dr. Avi Loeb -Professor of Astronomy at Harvard and Director the Galileo Project
-Dr. Hal Puthoff -Physicist and President of EarthTech International. Former senior advisor to the Department of Defense for Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification.
-Dr. Carlos Eire -Professor Emeritus of History and Religious Studies at Yale. Pulitzer Prize-winning historian
...I might have missed some people and left out the UFO researchers, some of whom have pretty good credentials themselves.
The main goal was to push for transparency, discuss security implications, organize scientific study into the phenomenon, and discuss responses to further releases of information, particularly at a societal level.
While they didn't come to any immediate conclusions there are some really notable things about this. It was held in Washington D.C. in a fancy pants government building. It was attended by many high-level people from reputable and relevant fields. It was bipartisan, and many of the participants, listed above, had testified (some to Congress, under oath) to the belief of non-human intelligence nature of the phenomenon after their exposure to information they were privy to in their professional roles, or through their investigations and exposure to secure briefings in the case of many of the politicians. People pessimistically say that we'll never get disclosure, or that it always is "just around the corner." Well, this is a corner we haven't stepped foot on before. This seems different. Time will tell if it really is.
Next, here are 2 videos: which you certainly don't have to watch. But the stuff after them is of relevance to conversations I've recently had with some of you and things we all might be wondering some.
The first is a video from Christina Gomez, of a UFO YouTube News Source (that I really think is pretty good). The video is called "Disclosure is Closer than Admitted." Some of the video is dedicated to the event I just mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRXHu_xXz5Y
Here is another summary video of the forum that's pretty good, although I've never heard of this channel before:
UFO Forum Tackles Numerous Disclosure Issues, From Religious Implications to Psychological Impacts
It's at the 18:12 min mark that they start talking about how society will handle disclosure and come to a conclusion that different people will handle it differently and a lot will depend on what is disclosed: this is what I would like to address some here.
First I will state my thesis is that ultimately I think it's hard to know how much panic and disarray there will be because we don't know the full nature of what will be disclosed and discovered, but it's going to be more than "there's aliens," that's for sure.
There are a lot of people who have formed ideas about what disclosure will bring to our societies and how people will react. Will people freak out, or just sigh and go about their business and varieties of in between scenarios.There are theories about planned slow-drip "soft disclosure" and the fear of out of control "catastrophic disclosure." I think a lot will depend on not just those two options but a lot more will depend upon mainly 3 things. 1) the nature of what is disclosed 2) the government's presentation and responses to the news and 3) the individual hearing the news. I want to go over them in the reverse order.
The individual. Everyone has certain beliefs concerning religion, fate, trust in government, belief (or disbelief) in their own abilities, etc.. Everyone has certain levels of emotional intelligence, scientific literacy, historical perspective, mental stability/health, prior interest in relevant fields from UFOs to philosophy, sci-fi, etc...and everyone has prior experiences and support networks that are different (there are probably some aspects I am missing here). Because of this I think we will see varied responses from disbelief, real disbelief ("it's fake news"), resignation, belief in end times, terror, panic and anxiety, awe and wonder, indifference, a feeling of brotherhood with fellow humans, and so on. I am sure I am missing many other potential outcomes and beliefs. It reminds me a little of talking to a distant cousin, who is a therapist, during COVID times. She told me about how many people were needing and wanting therapists: not because they had grief and loss, but because they were freaking out with overwhelming anxiety and panic attacks and so on. It reminds me of COVID and people hoarding toilet paper, not tissue paper for blowing noses, but toilet paper. What seemingly bizarre thing will a critical mass of people start doing that will affect us all, will there be a run on batteries, canned food, tin foil, milk? Will enough people stop going to work because of their fear/beliefs (whatever) that productivity goes down and we fall into a recession or worse (The "Great Recession" -2007 to 09- had unemployment of 10%, and the Great Depression was 25%)? How will markets respond in other ways: will people stop going out to eat as much, will everyone buy guns? It might be that most people will just "get on with it," but if enough people cause problems it could be disruptive such that the other people can't "just get on with it," and there's are a lot of worried, anxious, and unstable people out there. Finally, on this note: I met up with another teacher at my school who found out I was into UFOs. She thinks they are demons, that they can't be aliens because that would go against scripture (this is her take on scripture), which she is very certain is real. She seems to believe something of an end times thing is being heralded by all this and so on. She's really into Jesus, and has been talking to her pastor, to find out what his guidance will be on all of this, especially when we are falsely told they are aliens, not the very demons they are. She also thinks she's been visited and tormented by the greys (again, that are actually demons). I think there are many more like her out there, maybe the details will be different, but even our vice president said he thought they were demons, which he said on the news: there are people who will eat that up as it fits into their paradigm.
JD Vance says he was 'obsessed' with UFOs, believes aliens are actually 'demons'
Some of this will be part of the second thing I mentioned: how the government reacts to the news. A simple example would be that the Republican and Democratic parties can react very differently to the same news. Who will be in power, what plan will they have and how will they frame the issue and with what concerns? What promises will they make, how will they make us feel safe, will enough of the citizenry trust any of those things? and more. And if there are economic disruptions, or social issues will the government have competent, trusted people and programs to get things back on track? Other things related to this will be things like are planes being grounded, will schools be open, will people feel their money is safe, if there is looting or rioting, will that be handled well? If there are marches and protests, how will that go?
However, I think the biggest factor, that might play out more over time, will be, what do we know about them: the NHI (non-human intelligence -as many more people are not quite ready to assert they know they're aliens. What if they're inter-diminsional, etc...?). The questions that will be asked and the answers or lack of answers will matter greatly to how disclosure goes down. I will go over some of the scenarios here (and I would love to hear other takes or ideas):
First, there are the basic questions many people will want to know: (which the government might not know, or may know but don't want to tell us)
-What are they up to?
-What are they like?
-Can we interact with them?
-Have we interacted with them?
-Have they interacted with us and if so in what ways?
-How much more advanced are they?
-Are they a threat, could they be a threat?
-How long have you known, and why didn't you tell us earlier? (like between now and Roswell, for instance)
-Who knew in government over the years and who is really in charge?
-Can we even trust government now on anything?
And so on...
It could be that many people will find the day-to-day of their lives much more important and interesting than finding out NHI has visited Earth. But like the woman I mentioned above, for a lot of people, even average people (whoever that is), the news will mess with their ideas of reality, especially their theology, and they will want to know where these things fit in: demons, angels? Many people made COVID about faith, same with AIDS, LGBTQ people, evolution, various natural disasters, even climate change and more. Even if most people try to remain calm and objective, the actions of people who "over-react" concerning these issues will impact us all. 40% of Americans are Protestant Christian with 23-24% evangelicals with about 5-10% Fundamentalists, and they have an oversized voice and will have a lot to say. Imagine 10% or more of Americans thinking this is, for sure, the second coming and trying to get us ready and so on. Again, it will be disruptive to those of us wanting to get on with our lives.
But wait, there's more. The BIG stuff:
There are a lot of theories and ideas and claims about what NHI is, and what they are up to visiting earth, and beyond. Many of these theories, and the reasons one might believe them, are only known to people who actively look into the phenomenon. Sure, there's the surface idea, that aliens exist and have been here, but even this belief is generally reserved for people who care to pay attention to the phenomenon. But then there are other levels and all the evidence and claims with the subsequent theories that will be disseminated and reported on. And as we know, some news outlets love reporting fear-based content (even sometimes without merit) as it gets views. However, not all of this is fear-based, and much of it, in the opinion of many researchers, has its basis in good circumstantial evidence and/or testimony from multiple reliable sources, released documents, etc... In no particular order here are some of the most likely ones that will come up as possibilities and as part of the discussions that will be happening just like people discussed COVID's origins, and similar things. I will put them roughly in order of more likely and less shocking to more so, based on how I think most average people would perceive them: (note, I don't believe in all of these with equal amounts of certainty and some of these I don't believe at all...yet, haha). Note, if anyone wants sources or more commentary on any of these, I will happily provide it. (note some of these overlap, and as the list goes on, it's hard to keep an order to what's more likely/less shocking)
-The secret government has committed various crimes in order to keep secret and control this information from misleading Congress, diverting funds, all the way up to murder and kidnapping. (this is widely believed to be true by the people at that forum mentioned above)
-NHI show particular interest in our nuclear arsenal (and warning in general): the testing, depots, deployed weapons, etc Does this mean they want to warn or protect us from nuclear destruction or, as some people think, are they doing recon and "prepping the battlefield?"
-Elements within the government have had recovered craft and bodies and hasn't told us (and the implications of what this means about a rogue shadow government, and how much can we trust the government at certain levels) (also widely believed to be true by the people at that forum mentioned above, just no hard evidence yet)
-We have captured and interrogated live NHI
-We have reversed NHI tech to the point that many of the craft people see now-a-days are government anti-gravity vehicles or what some call ARVs (Alien Reproduction Vehicles).
-NHI has for some times been interacting with humanity: contacting some people for some reason(s)
-NHI have been abducting people, sometimes from their own homes, and doing procedures on them: many of which seem to focus on genetics and reproductive organs (widely believed by many in the field)
-NHI communicate telepathically (and the implications of dominion over our own minds, the nature and limits of consciousness, and the nature of the NHI) (probably about 99% of reports of interactions with NHI have the NHI communicating telepathically)
-NHI has contacted various people with messages warning of our mistreatment of the environment, and what will these will mean about the stability of our current economic model. Already big businesses pushes for more profit and resource exploitation while many people's jobs are tied to "dirty" industries.
-There are multiple NHI, at least 4 types (sometimes working together, or at least factions/individuals are, and sometimes at odds with each other) (the first part is very much believed by many researchers, but not all. Note: many researchers will say this is their belief, but when talking to congress about implementing programs will stress the need for rigorous studies and evidence to collaborate the claims of more fundamental steps like uncovering government programs, establishing credentials of witnesses and so on)
-NHI has had an ongoing presence here on earth, even bases (thought to be under the ocean, or inside mountains)
-Some, or all, NHI aren't even "aliens," but come from different "dimensions." (this is becoming a much more believed hypothesis, even though it originally got a lot of ridicule in the UFO community. Ana Paulina Luna reported this is what people have been telling her privately. Note some politicians listed above and many researchers say there is a lot of stuff they just can say because their sources don't want to be outed for fear of prosecution - and currently there is work being done to waive NDA related to UFO-related work)
-NHI are tied heavily to psi phenomenon, telepathy, remote viewing, astral projection, Near-Death Experiences, etc...
-NHI have knowledge beyond ours of the nature of a god, souls, spirit, etc... that will be disruptive to the foundation theology to much of humanity
-At least some UFOs can be "summoned" through psychic training/meditative states/even psychoactive chemical assists.
-There is a hybridization program going on in which some NHI are making hybrid human NHI children.
-Hybrids already live amongst us (and will eventually be living more openly?).
-NHI seeded us or fast-forwarded our evolution (and maybe see us as "theirs" or at least their project to admin)
-The secret government has recruited, even abducted, people that are sensitive to psychic phenomenon to interact with NHI or their craft and tech which is interacted with by telepathically.
-Will there be disruptive technologies unleashed soon after disclosure causing mass unemployment or safety issues or geopolitical instability.
-NHI are actively evolving us (maybe just life in general) further to reach "higher forums"
-Crop Circles are a product of NHI
-Cattle Mutilations are a product of NHI
-There is a "galactic federation" waiting for us to be ready/evolved enough to join it (this theory has some high-level proponents and gets tossed around by channelers quite a bit)
-There was an agreement with NHI to allow them to abduct people, for exchange for technology during the Eisenhower admin (simplified version) The other part of this is that some NHI were going to help us if government agreed to give up nuclear weapons and we refused. (Again it might not be true-probably isn't-but there are people that seemingly worked in government who have come forward with this claim and how many people will believe this stuff and be activated by it. Society works best if we have shared truths)
-NHI will be revealed, but it's really a plan by the governments, and there are no NHI. The plan is to scare people into submission to control us through a program sometimes refereed to as Project Blue Beam (I don't believe this, but I put it high on the list because a fair amount of people in YouTube comments mention it)
-There is a "breakaway" society that lives on Mars, will leave earth for the stars, lives with the NHI, or some such scenario where the rest of us get left behind.
-There have been ongoing cooperation, even bases, staffed by humans and various NHI, even off-world.
-Some NHI are from what we would think of as the afterlife, but it's different from what we think of it
-NHI have steered some of the more important events, even conflicts, here on earth for their own reasons
-NHI have penetrated the deepest levels of government in various ways for their own reasons
-There are "portals" here on earth
-NHI are here to evolve us
-NHI are us from the future
-NHI are here to takeover earth over time
-NHI are native to earth (at least some of them)
-NHI are living in a different "vibrational state" on earth and are often present, we just can't detect them with our differing "vibrational states"
-JFK's killing was linked to his wanting more transparency/control over NHI information and programs
-We live in some kind of NHI run simulation, or at least they influence/control our reality
There is more, but that's a big list.Some of the items in the beginning I do believe are more likely to be true, even if not uncovered openly during early disclosure. Again, my point is that many many more people will be interested in digging into UFO and related information and more and more people will start putting it out there for profit or because of a sincere desire to inform in some cases. Many of the things above have significant implications for how we interact and trust government, feel about our place in reality, how we answer theological and other existential questions, and how safe we feel day-to-day. It would be nice if the government could find a way quickly and convincingly to get a good handle on the issue(s) to keep a critical mass of fear and craziness in check to not affect and infect or influence too many of the rest of us.
More, I did say this might be something that evolves over time and in waves. I would think first the revelation of NHI existing will cause some panic (maybe not too much though). Then later people might calm down, until more and more people start to figure out there have been abductions (or similar unsettling things), then more sustained panic. But that second wave may take a while to get to as it will have to be suspected and then efforts to uncover and verify (if possible) that that has happened or is still happening. So what if we find out there are hybrids living among us, or elements of the government have kidnapped people to use as psychic assets ("pink assets")? That's the kind of stuff might cause some issues that will disrupt societies...but if none of that is true then there will be less.
As I said, ultimately I think it's hard to know how much panic and disarray there will be because we don't know the full nature of what will be disclosed and discovered, and can only take guesses at this point based up witness credibility, preponderance and intersections of evidence, and what seems logical, but it's going to be more than "there's aliens," that's for sure.
That's all for now
p.s. I didn't care for Disclosure Day much. I not because it got aliens wrong or anything. I didn't like the story development, I thought it was illogical, and the bad guys were too incompetent and nonsensical.
Tuesday Jun 9th 2026
First, not long from my typing this, today, David Grush and a small bi-partisan group of congresspeople will be on the stops of the U.S. capital demanding UAP transparency. I believe they are going to ask the president for an executive order: which may involve declassification, whistleblower protection, demands on anyone to come forward including private aerospace, amnesty for people in the programs, and hopefully absolving people of their NDAs. We'll see. On it's face it sounds good, but too many times it seems big progress was being made and it was just a little push instead.
Next, I finally got Herb's email here in the chain so yay. Now Herb can stay can me emails about UFOs, for better or for...
I want to introduce the next section by affirming something most of us already know. That is an interesting fallacy most of you know isn't true: that UFOs are an American thing. Sightings happen all over the world. Here's one of a few maps recording them UFO Sightings Map | NUFORC
It's a very cool map (above) and you can zoom in to the details of pretty much all of the sightings. Not surprisingly the most sightings are where people live and have access to reporting information, as most sightings are not reported. Hawaii, the Coasts in America, the UK, and Puerto Rico have have the most.There are other maps online too, you can search out and many are interactive. In fact In Mexico and India UFO belief is higher than in America and the UK is not that far behind us. UFO Belief by Country: The Surprising Truth
With that in mind, It recently occurred to me that while most people have heard of Roswell, and Bob Lazar and more off the famous incidents, there are few really big international incidents some of you might not know of, which makes sense because roughly the same things are seen all over the world: the orbs, the metallic disk shaped craft, and the black triangles (with some other various odds and ends as well). So today I wanted to focus on Australia.
Australia UFO reporting centers generally receive 300+ reports a year. But that's not the main thing I wanted to share. The main things I wanted to share is the Roswell of Australia. While the Rendlesham Forest incident is considered Britain's Roswell, the Westall incident is Australia's and it happened just about 60 years ago on April 6, 1966.
The Westall Incident (a summary):
On the day of the incident some students at Westall High and the neighboring school were outside for P.E. type activities. At roughly 10am a student came into a science class to tell the teacher there's flying saucers outside. At first the students laughed but when class was soon over many students went out to see what was what. What they reported seeing was 3 dull metallic disk-shaped craft with domes on top silently moving around and jumping from place to place and sharp immediate angles. More and more students came out as word spread and witnesses, depending on their perspective,saw anywhere from 1 to 3 of the saucers.
Some students farther off at the the nearby forested area reported seeing one of the craft having landed and reported also that there was burned and depressed grass where it had done so.
Soon after reports of men wearing dark suits came on the campus and confiscated a teacher's camera she used to take pictures of the incident with. More people came later and took samples and spoke to the witnesses, but there are no clear IDs of who they were, just military and there is some thought they were Americans. Some teachers came forward later saying they were told they were weather balloons and not to talk about what they saw. In an assembly later the principal told the students they were not to talk about what they saw.
Ultimately 20-30 witness, former students, teachers, and local residents spoke to the story being true in a 2010 documentary. One teacher talked about being threatened by the military to never speak of the incident at the time.
Since then additional people have come forward bringing the count of adults who testify the the same essential story for seeing the 3 disks to about 50.
It's debated by people whether the 50 people speaking to the event all these years later and sticking to their story is a strength or a weakness as it's been a long time since the original event and maybe their memories have been contaminated. Or, is it a strength that the former teachers, students and residents years later would still talk openly about seeing the same thing. I believe if I saw what they said they saw years and years later the memory would be quite firm in my in my mind, probably the most memorable event of my life. If you watch the longer of the two videos I put in here, it's very good and you can see what seem like clearly sane credible witnesses talking about the event.
Finally. Spielberg as been more open about how he used to say he'd have to see one to believe it when it came to this stuff, but the circumstantial evidence had gotten to be too much to no longer believe.
Here's a really short 2:11min video on the Westall Incident. The longer and better video with about 20-30 witnesses talking about it years later as adults or even "elders" because they were teachers at the time is below that (recommended) There might be other really good videos out there, even better ones?
Westall’s 55-year-old school UFO sighting - Teacher Andrew Greenwood
best one below:
UFO The Westall 1966 UFO Incident Australia (full length TV ep)
Sam.
Mon, Jun 1st 2026
So I just ran across a very recent video put up today about "Disclosure Day" and Obama... But first, I was just getting ready to include this in a letter to someone:
"I believe Obama knows or suspects much of this and he’s listed as a producer of a movie that Netflix is supposed to make about the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill, that happened, allegedly, in 1961. He also spoke to the American people admitting that there is stuff flying around that we don’t know what it is, how they move, and more.. And when he did say there were aliens more recently (before he later stepped back and said the picture thing), Trump, while aboard Air Force One, said “he shouldn’t have said that”, and “that’s classified information.” I don’t think any of that by itself means anything for sure, but I think Obama knows or suspects something, and may be hinting, at more that he’s “supposed” (could just be wishful thinking though...this whole subject if full of so much second guessing as you go a little deeper)."
What's worth mentioning I think, and maybe just for the fun of it...? is that Obama went to the set of "Disclosure Day," the first movie set he's ever visited. Steven "The Liar" Spielberg talks about it in this interview, while also saying Disclosure Day is closer to the truth than fiction, and that he made the film to "hurry it along" when asked about would he be in favor of actual disclosure. Note, we call Steven Spielberg "the Liar" because we suspect he knows more than he's letting onto, even though he says he doesn't know more than a normal person, but it's all in good fun: he's still invited over. More about Steven and his lies at the very bottom.
Steven Spielberg Is All For a Real Disclosure Day: 'Closer to Fact Than Fiction' (Exclusive)
here are the videos (which many of you have probably seen):
Obama says UFO sightings are real
Here's the newer video about his first more recent statement and Trump's follow up and his walk back (the Trump stuff is at the end)
After Obama remarks, Trump moves to release alien files
More Steven Stuff (copied and pasted from something else I wrote about his lies). hehe
Maybe Spielberg doesn't know this about the UFO community, but it is well known (and celebrated) in UFO research circles that he collaborated with Dr. J Allen Hynek for Close Encounters of the Third Kind. He was close enough to Hynek that there is a Cameo of Hynek in Close Encounters (see below).
J. Allen Hynek got his Ph.D. in astrophysics from the University of Chicago and worked at Ohio State, later at the Smithsonian Observatory and finally at Northwestern. In 1948 he was hired by the USAF to study UFOs and felt the subject was ridiculous staying on through Project Sign, Project Grudge, and finally Project Blue Book. By the 60s Hynek had started to come to terms that some UFO witness were credible and there was really some type of phenomenon. In 1973 (4 years before Close Encounters would come out) he founded the "Center for UFO Studies." He also, it should be noted that he recognized the phenomenon as something "intelligent" but maybe more than just extraterrestrial: something he would share with his collaborator and UFO research legend Jacques Vallee, whom the French scientist in Close Encounters is modeled after.
Here is the link to the article below: Meet J. Allen Hynek, the Astronomer Who First Classified UFO 'Close Encounters' | HISTORY but I think the Wikipedia article is more interesting. (no need to read all that unless you're interested).
Very importantly, Spielberg has worked with Dan Farah before on Ready Player One. Dan Farah produced a UFO film called "The Phenomenon" in 2020, and was the producer and director of "The Age of Disclosure " which was heavily focused on whistleblowers and insiders saying there is an alien presence a government crash retrieval program . Interestingly Spielberg is making a movie "Disclosure Day" coming out in June 2026. Some people even think this is all part of a plan of "soft disclosure" to get people ready for eventual government disclosure with as little ontological and existential despair as possible... The video below is from a very good UFO news YouTube channel and it goes over the idea the ideas written in this paragraph.
Steven Spielberg's hidden strategy with film producer for UFO Disclosure rollout - Psicoactivo #298
What this is all getting to is I that think Steven knows more than the average person (maybe a lot more), or at the minimum has a very high ideal of what an average person knows about this subject.
Next is a video of him admitting he was influenced by Hynek and Richard Dreyfuss also talking about Hynek being a believer...the same Hynek that was a cameo in CE, and that Spielberg says he was influenced by.
Film Crew Comments, Dr. Allen Hynek (Making of Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1997)
Finally, one of the characters in CE was based on Dr. Jacques Vallee. Here's something on him:
Dr. Jacques Vallee has too big and winding of an academic career to just write up quickly, so I'll just hit on a few notes. He was the manager of the Stanford Computer Center, helped compile NASAs first detailed map of Mars, and worked as a senior investigator for the National Science Foundation. He's written numerous journal articles on scientific subjects and books on the UFO topic, at least 10 books. He talks about his discussions with Spielberg about the making of Close Encounters in which he tried to get Spielberg to consider interdimensional options for Non-Human Intelligences, which is something he believes, as do more and more researchers (as least with some of the NHI). In this video below starts talking about working with Spielberg on Close Encounters at about the 1:33 min mark.
Spielberg Based a Character in Closer Encounters on Jacques Valle
That's it for now. Rock on...
Sam
Thru, April 23 2026
Some people have sent me stuff about two things I want to mention:
1) There have indeed been missing scientists. Almost all of them working on stuff that could be UFO stuff which is why ufo people are particularly interested. Here is a good video on it all. You can jump around on the progress bar to find certain people. More, it doesn't even cover all the people that have gone missing or been killed under weird or unlikely circumstances. Many of them just walked off without their phones, or wallets: who does that. Next, there have been missing scientists in China as well according to some videos and articles I've read, at least 9 I think. These scientist worked in similar fields: space, hypersonics, etc... So here is the video I mentioned above and an article about the missing scientists in China:
I highly recommend watching the video below:
Why America’s Top Scientists Are Going Missing
The flow chart above mentions a bunch of places that have been implicated in UFO stories.
2 Giants, 20 Scientists: Mysterious Deaths, Disappearances Rattle US, China
here's Newsweek talking about the Chinese scientists:
Chinese scientists have been dying mysterious deaths too
Next UFO topic. Tim Burchett, a congressman from Tennessee that I mentioned said that 100% sure aliens have been to earth is saying now that watching the some of the videos he's watched in secure environments SCIFS (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) is happening now more and more as more congresspeople are wanting to see what's what. I have been looking forward to a time when there is a critical mass of people with power being interested to create favorable environment for military and private research to be done openly. Maybe we're getting closer?
Finally, an interesting and concerning question would be; if the scientists are somehow connected the UFO phenomenon, who is killing them and why? There are theories that go from: it's the coverup getting desperate, to bad aliens want to control our tech so we can't fight them (3 Body Anyone) and a few others kind of in between.
Oh, one last thing. For what it's worth Trump said the releases, directed by him, will be coming out "soon." But I don't put too much stock in his words on things like that.
Sam
Friday, July 18th 2025
I haven’t yet responded to the New York Times article suggesting that the UFO phenomenon is just misidentified U.S. high-tech projects—covered up and perpetuated by intelligence agencies to conceal advanced technology. Of course, maybe that is all it’s ever been.
However, there are still some holes in that theory, and some questions remain:
Much of the reported phenomenon seems way beyond anything any country, university, or private organization could produce (examples include transmedium travel—through space, air, and water—and instant acceleration). This also doesn’t explain historical sightings that predate such technology, like the Foo Fighters, which, interestingly, look a lot like the spheres people report nowadays.
Numerous sightings of beings, reported by all kinds of qualified observers (from abductions to simple encounters), going back at least to the 1960s. These beings consistently fall into about four clear categories, maybe more.
Whistleblowers have come forward claiming direct sources say this tech was built off-world or uses off-world materials. Some have even testified about the existence of non-human “biologics.”
The idea that the U.S. (or other countries) would conduct these kinds of experiments all over the world, sometimes in broad daylight, seems implausible—especially given the number of credible witnesses who’ve come forward.
It’s also hard to believe that the parts of the government controlling this tech would be so irresponsible as to endanger aviators, disrupt military operations, discredit people, waste resources, and sometimes damage people and property. Jesse Michels pointed out that there are potential lawsuits here for defamation, fraud, emotional distress, FOIA obstruction, international law violations, and even medical harm. I admit I don’t know enough law to fully understand all these claims—I’m mostly reporting what I’ve read.
Finally, there’s the question of how likely it is that the government is telling the truth about any of this.
Next, I made a Google Slides presentation (still a work in progress) to help me sort out some of the people who seem to have the better backgrounds and more compelling stories and claims. Here’s a link to it. Some of you will find it more interesting than others, of course, but I recommend checking it out—you might find it worth your time. Feel free to give me corrections or feedback. On my webpage that hosts the slideshow, I clearly mention that this is just some people’s claims—it’s not intended to cover incidents like Roswell or the Ariel School case. There’s much more to explore.
UFO Slideshow:
https://sites.google.com/d/1IB3EVru2GRhCBP_zxGinZyJw7_Xx2lPD/p/17-sswQkBzsxbAfBdD-h0yVTgfrtFhGId/edit
Also, there are supposedly more congressional hearings coming in September, and they’re claiming to have some first-hand witnesses lined up. These witnesses say they’ve been emboldened by others who’ve already come forward. We’ll see—this field is full of big talk but seems to move at a slow drip.
Friday, May 2 2025
Hello UFO working group:
I CCd some people on this. Let me once again say, I don't expect everyone to be equally interested in any of this and I certainly don't expect everyone to read/listen to/or go over any of this stuff or even read the email at all: especially anyone who doesn't seem to care about understanding the mysteries of reality that getting confirmation of advanced non-human intelligence that can travel here and are perhaps thousands or millions of years more advanced than us will bring us.
Speaking of that, this is one thing that bother's me most about a cover-up is that I want to know the nature of are we alone, what do "they" know about the nature of reality, even spirituality? What can understanding their tech help us with in terms of making the world and us better, and healthier? While it's fine that dangerous tech is classified and restricted, fundamental truths about reality should not be. Just like I don't think we should tell people how to make Nuclear Bombs, but people should know they exist and about things like basic fission, etc...
So here is some of the most interesting stuff to share for anyone who has missed some of the more current/current information:
The first video is from Jessie Michels. In the video he interviews Harald Malmgren who worked as an advisor to many different presidents as an advisor. Rather than go into his lengthy academic and political career here's a link:
suffice to say he's a really smart, connected, guy who worked with a lot of very important people.
In Jessie Michels' interview he's near the end of his life and comes out and says that there are aliens that have been here/are here, etc... That he's handled part of the off-world tech and even seen a video of one of them. Here's the interview (note it's really long and he talks about a lot of other stuff in his career: but the bottom "playbar" has chapters):
Presidential Advisor: “I Directly Handled UFO Material” (Ft. Harald Malmgren)
The next video which just came out last night, is one of Eric Davis Speaking. He's a physicist who's worked on a lot of government projects.
Interestingly in the video that just came out last night, while Ret. Vice Admiral Tim Gallaudet, Harvard Professor Avi Loeb, Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, Rep. Tim Burchett and Luis Elizando and media are doing a hearing on UAP, all are at one point listening to Eric Davis.
In this session he talks even more about the programs and their history and funding. He verifies that there have been removed craft and to some extent where they are taken. The most interesting thing is that later he says there are 4 species/races that he knows of: The Greys, The Nordic, The Mantist/Insectoids, and The Reptilians. He stresses that they are NOT insects or reptiles in anyway, they just seem to remind people of them a little. Here's and report of "Down to Earth" that shows the parts of Eric Davis talking:
BOMBSHELL UFO BRIEFING! Astrophysicist Eric Davis briefs Congressional panel on 4 ALIEN SPECIES!
I'll put a link to a good Eric Davis Interview at the end of this email
This whole Mantis thing reminds me of this from earlier this year:
He's not the only person that has come forward saying they've had encounters with these "Mantis" types, just just happens to be a Ret. Col. from Special Forces who became a Program Manager at Darpa with two Master's Degrees and a Ph.D who served as a visiting professor at the Air Force Academy, and a consultant to the White House and NASA, etc. Here's a paper about him:
John G . Blitch Resume/CV | Autonomous Robotics, Cognitive Neuroscience, and Artificial Intelligence
"The Basement Office" interview here with Eric Davis:
Bonus Episode | The Basement Office | Eric Davis on working for Pentagon UFO program | New York Post
He's legit and you can even find papers he's published online. More he's spoken to congress before.
Finally, Phil if you've gotten this far, I just watched a UAP YouTuber a few days ago who I hadn't seen before. He's a retired F16 pilot who's now doing full time UFO/UAP stuff trying to find out what's what. Anytime there is a fighter pilot I find out about somehow involved I think of you.
Sam
March 8, 2025
This is a really good video of a philosophy professor talking about how he made the jump into UFO stuff and how hard it is for some people because it's too paradigm shifting and so on. He also has a lot of insights or at least ideas about what might be going on. Highly recommended.
UAP Disclosure, NHI Motivations and AI with Steven Brown PhD | Unveiled Ep. 8
Tuesday, Janurary 28 2025
Crazy, another very decorated, highly educated guy from the inside coming forward!
This video is from two days ago, article below it is from 1 day ago
One of the interesting (and more bizarre) things he says is that an alien communicated with him that our bodies are "soul housing groups" -machines- designed to house souls. Very similar to Bob Lazar all those years ago saying the aliens think of us as containers (but he didn't know what that meant).
One more spoiler that I want to comment on is the idea that the Greys are "biological robots" for another species, some think it's this more "mantis" looking type. Hmmm...sounds spacey (see what I did there), but I thought the same thing when my teacher at Ventura College years ago asserted there are retrieved alien ships that the government has possession of.
note: I haven't watched the full video yet, only the first 15 min, but I did read the article which seems to just be reporting on the video.
Former nuclear officer, green beret says he believes UAP whistleblower | Reality Check
Saturday, Janurary 11 2026
I can't find the interview I was watching with this guy, but the guy is Robert Hastings. Here's a copy of his book on Amazon. It's kind of dry and very repetitive in that it's that same story pretty much over and over again. Nuclear missile site people see UFO and missiles turn off and no one higher up seems to care and it's been happening all over the world.
https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Nukes-Extraordinary-Encounters-Nuclear/dp/1544822197
Here's an interview with him, but it's not the one I watched that I liked better:
Researcher says UAPs and nukes are connected | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart
Here's the wiki to Paul Hellyer how, if you read it, was highly involved in Canadian military and if you get down the E.T. claims he claims there have been at least 4 species visiting us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer
Just like Haim Eshed, you got to read his bio and his claims, which are similar to Hellyers, but more interesting imo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Eshed
and all that makes people like Boyd Bushman's (former Lockheed engineer with numerous patents) story sound more plausible.
Crazy stuff.
Sam
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